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shivsena wrote:Some great quotes about Shiva and shakti combined.
You have so far ignored many replies to your questions, observations, churnings etc. You havent really progressed your theory so far. When you actually take the time to reply to the PBKs who've taken their time out to answer your every query, then You are entitled to sing about it. Many points have been raised by the PBKs that utterly refute your ideas, but you casually ignore them as of no importance. As admin its your duty to see the fair interplay of the debate. Now please go back and answer the points raised by the PBKs or concede the debate.
OK AUM
button slammer wrote: You have so far ignored many replies to your questions, observations, churnings etc. You havent really progressed your theory so far. When you actually take the time to reply to the PBKs who've taken their time out to answer your every query, then You are entitled to sing about it. Many points have been raised by the PBKs that utterly refute your ideas, but you casually ignore them as of no importance. As admin its your duty to see the fair interplay of the debate. Now please go back and answer the points raised by the PBKs or concede the debate.
Dear slammer Bhai.
This is not an official debate where one has to concede defeat or celebrate victory and where there are winners and loosers ...this is a forum to exchange views and interpretations of Murlis and Vanis and presentation of newer ideas about Godly knowledge....what i know i will answer...what i do not know i will not answer.....there is no compulsion on any member to answer all queries put to him and this applies to all including the admin.....such forums are just meant to pick up things you have missed and not be adamant of your own existing beliefs....if you find something interesting you can churn on it and if you do not agree with a new theory, then you can just ignore it.
button slammer wrote: As admin its your duty to see the fair interplay of the debate. Now please go back and answer the points raised by the PBKs or concede the debate.
OK AUM
Dear slammer Bhai.
I am ready to answer your queries only if you ask them one at a time and that also not for the sake of argument but for the sake of understanding.
button slammer wrote:
As earlier mentioned you don't know what PBKs believe. The explanation of the point above by yourself is wrong. It shows you have no understanding of AK. As the posting of the above point clearly demonstrates no understanding of AK by you, how can you go on to claim AK is False?
As you say Shivshakti are combined/unseperable, that ShivBindu is combined with the ghost of Om Radhey, that Om Radhey is now entering you. This then makes you what? The corporeal medium of ShivBaba. You are now the feminine side of God yourself. You are now 'God of the Gita?
This topic has been going for about a year. In that time you should have gone into the depth of every subject. O Goddess of Intelligence, please say something intelligent. Give us some new points. You are just repeating the same point over and over 'Maa, Maa'.
Dear slammer Bhai.
Why are you so much against the mother jagdamba that you call her a ghost and not a farishta(angel)....has she harmed you in any way ??....or are you sore at me for propagating Mama jagdamba as personified ShivBaba.
Have i ever stated in any of my posts that i am the corporeal medium of ShivBaba, then why do you accuse me of the same.
I understand that this is a journey of Gyan. It is not available 100% at any instance , if so then the journey ends even before it begins. It is hard to explain and clear all queries at once as we are all making efforts to understand. Be patient with some impatient souls.
I just picked up a picture of mateshwari Mama jagdamba from one of the bk sites and i am presenting another picture from Bhakti-marg for comparison.
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The practical sherni-shakti of Sangamyug ie mateshwari Mama jagdamba(no. 1 shivshakti) is remembered in Bhakti-marg as sheron-wali-Maa.(mounted on a lioness)
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Chitra or murti is nothing but the yaadgaar of CORPOREAL one.....now from longtime you are stating certain churns of your own as Mama is the RAMSHIVBABA; but still now failed to convince the public about the corporeal identity....
in Murli it has been said "Devi ke pujaari Ravan sampraday"
....true very true....
Greatest question comes
"If SHIV is not Sarvavyapi;then prove it as Ekvyapi"....atleast PBK's have logical answer for this but what about you dear?
RudraPutra wrote: "If Shiv is not Sarvavyapi;then prove it as Ekvyapi"....atleast PBK's have logical answer for this but what about you dear?
Ekvyapi does not mean that you catch hold of any dehdhari and try to prove that he is ShivBaba without co-relating with Murli points. When it is said in Murlis that "Koi bhi dehdhari bhagwan nahin ho sakta"...then how can shiv say one thing in Murlis, and then reveal himself as a dehdhari--prajapita who is never worshipped in Bhakti-marg??
The above song sings praises of Maa jagdamba and co-relates well one Murli point: "saari mahima ek ShivBaba ki hi hai." ("Full praise is for ShivBaba ie no. 1 shivshakti only")
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You are taking that when one leaves a body one stops being dehdhari. But all human souls are dehdhari, because they take body. Bhagavan is a point of light only, so he is not dehdhari. But he has to be revealed through a personality because a soul without a body is like nonliving, it cannot be manifested, it cannot act, narrate knowledge, purify etc. And ekvyapi means present in one. You are avoiding the question.
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shivsena wrote:Ekvyapi does not mean that you catch hold of any dehdhari and try to prove that he is ShivBaba without co-relating with Murli points. When it is said in Murlis that "Koi bhi dehdhari bhagwan nahin ho sakta"...then how can Shiv say one thing in Murlis, and then reveal himself as a dehdhari--prajapita who is never worshipped in Bhakti-marg??
....please there are many Murli points that states us "Tumko sharir mein rehte hue dehi abhimaani ban na hai." ("You have to become soul conscious while staying in your body")
....what do you mean by 'deh dhaari'? one who bears bodily stage in his mind and intellect is called "deh dhaari". that is why even though SHIV enters any body he is not called deh dhaari.....similarly with the corporeal form of SHIV that is Shankar.....simple!!!
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sita wrote:
You are taking that when one leaves a body one stops being dehdhari. But all human souls are dehdhari, because they take body. Bhagavan is a point of light only, so he is not dehdhari. But he has to be revealed through a personality because a soul without a body is like nonliving, it cannot be manifested, it cannot act, narrate knowledge, purify etc. And ekvyapi means present in one. You are avoiding the question.
You are absolutely right!!!
Shivsena Bhai is not only trying to avoid the question but even ignoring the most important concept like this in his own churn!!!
UNFORTUNATELY he is not understanding... :sad:
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“Yah hai tumhaari padhaai. Padhaai may koi baja gaja nahee bajaatey. Tumhaari padhaai hoti hai saverey. Us samay manushya soye rahtey hain. Vaastav may tumko record bajaaney kee bhi darkaar nahee hai. Ham toh aawaaz say parey jaatey hain.Yah toh nimitt sabko jagaaney ke liye bajaaney padtey hain. Murli padhney athava sun-ney may aawaaz baahar nahee jaataa hai. Padhaai may aawaaz hota hee nahee hai. Baap baith mantra detey hain – bachchey chup rahkar mujhey Yaad karo. Yahaan koi guru aadi toh hai nahee jo baith ek-ek ko kaan may mantra dey. Fir kah detey kisko nahee sunaanaa. Yahaan toh vah baat nahee hai. Baba toh gyaan ka saagar hai……yah sab Baap hee aakar bachchon ko samjhaatey hain. Ismay geet gaaney va kavita aadi sunaaney kee darkaar nahee. Ham Sangamyug ke Brahmanon kee rasam-rivaaz bilkul hee nyaari hai.....Baba nay samjhaya hai padhaai may baajey gaajey kee darkaar hee nahee hai. Baba nay kah diya hai koi achchey-achchey record hain, jo Baba nay banvaaye hain – toh jab dekho udaasi aati hai toh apney ko refresh karney ke liye bhal aisey-aisey geet bajaao. Parantu jitnaa aawaaz kam karengey toh achcha hai. Royal manushya kam aawaaz kartey hain. Mukhh say thoda bolnaa hai. Jaisey ratna nikaltey hain. Tum Eeshwar ke bachchey ho toh kitnee royalty, kitnaa tumhaarey may nashaa hona chaahiye. Raja ke bachchey ko itnaa nashaa nahee hoga jitnaa tumko rahnaa chaahiye."(Brahmakumariyon dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 30.12.07, pg 2&4)
"This is your study. Nobody plays musical instruments while studying. You study in the mornings. At that time people remain asleep. Actually there is no need for you to play records (i.e. songs) etc. We go beyond (the stage of) sounds.This is required to be played to wake up everyone. While studying or listening to Murli the sound does not go outside. There is no sound in studies at all. The Father sits and gives a mantra – Children, remember me silently. Here, there is no guru etc. to sit and narrate the mantra in each one’s ear. Then they say – Do not tell anyone. Here it is not like that. Baba is an ocean of knowledge….... The Father Himself comes and explains all these issues to the children. There is no need to sing songs or to recite poems etc. in this. The rituals and traditions of us Brahmins of the Confluence Age are unique…..Baba has explained – There is no need at all for musical instruments in the studies. Baba has said that there are some such nice records (songs) which Baba has got prepared. So, when you feel sad, you may play such songs in order to refresh yourself. But the less noise you make, the better it would be. Royal people make less noise. You should speak very little from the mouth. It is as if gems emerge. You are God’s children so you should have so much royalty; you should feel so intoxicated. A king’s child will not have as much intoxication as you should have."(Revised Sakar Murli dated 30.12.07, pg 2&4 published by BKs in Hindi, translated by a PBK)
Based on the above Murli point (which shivsena Bhai believes was spoken by no.1 shivshakti Om Radhey) we can understand what kind of spiritual effort we are making by playing Bhakti songs. Whether we are making effort to be included in royalty or ordinary praja.
But Baba says in the Murlis that let people continue to do Bhakti. Only when their Bhakti finishes that they will find God. So, shivsena Bhai can continue to do Bhakti as long as he wishes.
I think even now Murlis published by BKs contain song in the beginning. And sometimes Murlis starts by taking this song and giving explanation to it.
Here, songs are not for having entertainment of kan-ras (joy of ears). But are for churning. I do not remember but I think that I have read a Murli point which praises such Hindi film songs.
