Aham Brahm Asmi.

[Sach_Khand]

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CONVERSATION BETWEEN DIVINE ONES and DIVINE MOTHER RADHE

In The Premises
of
IMPERISHABLE DIVINE Yagya
...


Question:- MOTHER DIVINE, who creates this huge, Ever-Revolving World Bioscope consisting of four epochs, viz, Sat-Yuga(Golden Age), Treta(Silver Age), Dwapur(Copper Age) and Kali-Yuga(Iron Age), and four castes, viz. Brahma n, Kshetriya, Vaisha and Shudra, which takes a Kalpa to 5000 years to complete one rotation, and when?
Answer:- Dear Divine Ones of Divine Father PRAJAPATI Brahma, although you have already comprehended the essence of these most esoteric facts through Divine Wisdom and Divine Insight, no doubt ,more and still more esoteric points are being revealed to you and to me through the grace of our beloved Divine Father PRAJAPATI Brahma, the Gita Inventor, as it happened a Kalpa ago at the identical juncture of the end of Kali-Yuga and the beginning of Sat-Yuga.

Question :- Is there anyone who could visualise, realise and comprehend Divine Light (i.e. Incorporeal God) as well as the entire Creative Play from end to end, and also reveal and explain the same to others?
Answer:- Certainly, yes.

Question:- Oh Dear Mother Divine, the Sustainer of this entire Divine Yagya through Divine Wisdom and Divine Insight, will you tell us who that could be?
Answer:- You,me and our Divine Father.

Question:- Who,then, is superior - God or a human being?
Answer:- Doubtless, a Human Being! Who else couild ever reveal and manifest BRAHM, TATTWA, BRAHMAND and the Divine Secrets of this entire Creative Play? Who could establish Brahm-Puri (Angelic World) and lead others there but for a human being?

Question:-Atheistic, Self-Unrealised, Vicious Vaisha and SHudras consider God superior to themselves.
Answer:- No doubt; but Theistic, Viceless Brahmins and KSHETRIYAS, firm believers in "Aham Brahm Asmi", as well as Viceless Parmahans Sanyasis, firm believers in "Aham Brahm" shall never admit superiority of Incorporeal God over Self Realised Human Beings.

Question:-What is the essential difference between Brahmins and Kshetriyas of "Aham Brahm Asmi" Faith and Parmahans Sanyasis of "Aham Brahm" Faith?
Answer:- The outstanding peculiarity, according to the Preordained Plan of the Creative Play, of the Dynasty of Brahmins and Kshetriyas believing in "Aham Brahm Asmi" lies in the fact that they acquire Jiwan Mukt life for numerous generations and enjoy the everlasting, undisturbed, Supreme Sovereignty of Brahm-Puri(Angelic World or the World of Supreme Celibacy, Peace, Law and Order) with Double Crown (Crown of Divine Light as well as bejewelled Crown of Kingship) throughout the epochs of Sat-Yuga and Treta by following the most direct path of Sahaj Yoga, Raj Yoga, Nishkam Karma Yoga Sanyas at the present time of the confluence of the Kalpa. The other Dynasty of Parmahans Sanyasis, having faith in the doctrine of "Aham Brahm", enjoys superiority over Vaishas and Shudras through out the epochs of Dwapur and Kali-Yuga by adhering to the path of Hath Yoga Karma Sanyas. That is why such Parhmahans Sanyasis, Viceless and believers in "Aham Brahm" are they are, earn reverence, adoration and even service from vicious and sensuous Vaisha and Shudra Grahsti Tatoos(Householders), the latter being non-believers in "Aham Brahm".
I shall now divulge further upon the question of Superiority of a Human Being over God, and shall also discuss the question as to who laid the fondation of Brahm-Puri(Angelic World) - PRAJAPATI Brahma or SREE Krishna These are questions of vital importance about which everyone, from king to the beggar is puzzled, unacquainted and unenlightened. Aha! Approach of annihilation perverts human mentality!
Now listen. Let us take up once more the example of the ordinary picture play. "LIGHT" is of prime importance here and the "FILM" comes next. But neither is Light praised by the public nor does the Film itself attract much attention. It is really the activity if the various human actors, prominent among whom are the HERO and the HEROINE, that earns the admiration of the spectators.
Let us now, therefore, concentrate upon the HUMAN BEINGS of the entire World Bioscope and find out the HERO and the HEROINE, of the WORLD CREATIVE PLAY.
This has been, for long, quite a puzzling problem of the world, and for the matter of that, very esoteric indeed, so much so that all the Vedam Puranas, Bible, Quran, Granth, Shastras
and their compilers Veda-Vadi and Shastra-Vadi Vidvans, Acharyas, Pundits, Priests and Preceptors, not even excluding Sanyasis, Popes and Bishops, Mulas and Kazis, &c., &c., on
the one hand and Science Proud European Yadavas and Bharatvasi Kansas, Jarasandhis, Kaurvas(Congress) and all the rest on the other hand are definitely ignorant so far as this
question is concerned.
The entire world believes, and therefore votes in favour of the Most Attractive, Fully Accomplished Kalgidhar or Chhapatrapati SREE Krishna, complete with Sixteen Celetrial
Attributes(whose birthday "Janma Ashtmi" is being celebrated today) as the Supreme Imparter of Imperishable Wisdom of Gita, the Divine Flute, the Crown Jewel of all the World Scriptures.
But dear PRAJAPATI Brahma-Kumaris and Kumars, all of you have your personal experience, gained through Divine Wisdom and Divine Insight corroborated by the authority of the revelations of Gita and Bhagwat, to support you in your open declaration that the Divine Personality who played the Flute of Imperishable Divine Wisdom of Gita incarnating at the time of confluence of the end of Kali-Yuga and the beginning of Sat-Yuga,or in other words, at the conjunction of the cessation and the progression of the Kalpa, for the purpose of the annihilation of Unrighteousness and the establishment of the one Original Eternal religion of "AHAM BRAHM ASMI" is the DIVINE Father PRAJAPATI Brahma, THE Gita THE IMPARTER OF IMPERISHABLE WISDOM AND THE BESTOWER OF DIVINE INSIGHT, and NOT SREE Krishna!!!!!!

The Divine Prince, Kalgidhar Sree Krishna , with whom, of course, you so frequently play the Divine Dance and enjoy the most marvellous music of the richly bejewelled flute while in Divine Trance, is really born in the beginning of Sat-Yuga in Brahm-Puri(Angelic World) and not at the end of Kali-Yuga and the beginning of Sat-Yuga.
Aha! Oh Divine Children of PRAJAPATI Brahma, you have luckily taken birth at the junction of Shudra-Puri or Kali-Yuga and Brahm-Puri(Angelic World) or Sat-Yuga, and are due to soon transmigrate into Sat-Yuga or Brahm-Puri(Angelic World) after complete annihilation of Kali-Yuga or Shudra-Puri, even as the rivers concludee their long dirty course at the junction of the sea, and after due to purification, merge themselves in the sea.
No one else is so fortunate as you are, Oh dear Divine Ones of the Divine Father! You alone possess the power of acquiring the Sovereignty of TRILOKI (the entire world) by virtue of the waging of the non-violent war of "MAN MANA BHAVA, MADHYAJI BHAVA" (concentrating full attention upon SELF).
"TRILOKI" has always been defined by foolish SELF-IGNORANT, atheistic, Veda-vadi Vidvans, Acharyas, Pandits and even by Science Proud European Yadvas, as the Universe consisting of Three Worlds, viz. Heaven above, Devil's World or Hell below and suspended in between the two the Human World! All this is simply manufactured nonsense!
As a matter of fact, there is only one huge stage for this huge Human World Bioscope - THIS EARTH, used as the Field of Action where the entire World Performance takes place. The Sky simply stands like a roof with the Sun, the Moon and the Stars serving as the headlights of this huge stage. There is no world above or world below where human beings reside. And you have visualised through Divine Insight and realised through Divine Wisdom all the most esoteric facts of this Creative Play. What you are now waiting to see still in practical is only the remaining portion of this Mahabharat War, yet to be acted, which too, however, you have not failed to foresee through Divine Insight. Even a Kalpa ago, the Divine Father manifested to His Divine Ones the entire scence of the ensuing annihilation of Yadvas and Kauravas(COngress) through Divine Insight quite well in advance, and assured them that destruction was a preordained part of the Creative Play and that He and His Divine Ones were simply instrumental for action.
It is natural law that visualisation comes first and them comes realisation and explanation. Accordingly, you have visualised the entire secret of Brahm-Puri(Angelic World) well in advance, and then only have you been able to solve and understand these Eternal Problems so conveniently. The test is that if you had not visualised all these ensuing scenes of the War
of Mahabharata beforehand, you would never have been able to issue Divine Decrees and Warnings quite ahead of the time, assuring the World in unmistakable terms of the ensuing
catastrophe of the present World War as the War of Mahabharat and about the transformation of kali-Yuga into Sat-Yuga!

Question:- How is it that the various Divine Dynasties such as the Brahm an Deity Dynasty(Angelic Dynasty, Islamic Dynasty, Buddhist Dynasty, Christian Dynasty, &c., &c., emerge or come into existence from time to time, and again all of them get merged or annihilated?
Answer:- Dear Divine Ones, casting a glance at the physical map of the entire world, we find that there are several rivers in different parts of the world, all of which end their course in the sea. Some of them are big while others are small; and accordingly, the area of land irrigated and made fertile by the waters of each, is found in like proportions. Likewise, as
depicted in the Preordained Plan of the World Wheel, the various dynasties, established at different times, spread their sovereignty and power over proportionate portions of the world
according to their Divine Power, and ultimately get annihilated and merged simultaneously into unbounded Divine Light.
Each of these outstanding Dynasties is founded by its Divine Father through the Divine Power of His Non-Violent Sabre of Imperishable Divine Wisdom, and as a rule, all the Dunasties get completely annihilated at the time of the end of the Kalpa through Power of the Violent Steel Sword and through various natural calamities.

[Sach_Khand]

Dear BKs and ex BKs or anyone who have open mind and eagerness to churn the Spiritual knowledge taught by BKs (of course because they feel that Truth is in that knowledge),
I would like to invite you to take part in this discussion. And please remember that this discussion is only for those who are not prejudiced with any groups' knowledge and are friendly and interested to share their churnings and experiences taking their own responsibility. No personal comments because we will not be in favour of anyone here.
We are in favour of ourselves and we are selfish here to know and understand and experience the jewels of knowledge (if you think so, if not pelase keep out of this discussion) which we find in the BKs literature.

BKs literature means only the writings in the early days of yagnya (such as quoted in the beginning). And also Sakar Murli points and Avyakt Vani points which are not contradictory to the early writings. The reason for this is that Sakar Murlis have many points which are very much contradictory and can lead us astray. As it is said in the above quote by Mama Saraswati, "It is natural law that visualisation comes first and them comes realisation and explanation ", we too need to realise based on the writings of the early yagnya which are the result of first hand direct visualisations. And only based on our realisation we need to explain.

Personally, I feel that after the visualisation in the early days of yagnya, the Sakar Murlis are nothing but explanations based upon the realisation which Mama Saraswati had during those times at Mount Abu. And I think that it is not flawless. So, better if we stick to the early writings whenever such contradiction arises. Because, if we consider the visualisation itself as wrong then it's realisation and explanation too will obviously be wrong, which makes all our efforts unworthy. Therefore, we need to stick to the early writings that are based on first hand visualisations.

All those who are interested in churning and sharing without any prejudice and hostility and have open mind to welcome new thoughts are welcome to give their views. No personal comments please.

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[Sach_Khand]

Points to churn from the Mother Divine (Om Radhey) 's answers.

1) no doubt ,more and still more esoteric points are being revealed to you and to me through the grace of our beloved Divine Father PRAJAPATI Brahma, the Gita Inventor ;

2) Who could establish Brahm-Puri (Angelic World) and lead others there but for a human being? ;

3) Theistic, Viceless Brahmins and KSHETRIYAS, firm believers in "Aham Brahm Asmi" ;

4) Viceless Parmahans Sanyasis, firm believers in "Aham Brahm" ;

5) the most direct path of Sahaj Yoga, Raj Yoga, Nishkam Karma Yoga Sanyas ;

6) the path of Hath Yoga Karma Sanyas ;

7) who laid the fondation of Brahm-Puri(Angelic World) - PRAJAPATI Brahma or SREE Krishna ;

8) concentrate upon the HUMAN BEINGS of the entire World Bioscope and find out the HERO and the HEROINE, of the WORLD CREATIVE PLAY ;

9) Science Proud European Yadavas and Bharatvasi Kansas, Jarasandhis, Kaurvas(Congress) ;

10) dear PRAJAPATI Brahma-Kumaris and Kumars, all of you have your personal experience, gained through Divine Wisdom and Divine Insight corroborated by the authority of the revelations of Gita and Bhagwat, to support you in your open declaration that the Divine Personality who played the Flute of Imperishable Divine Wisdom of Gita incarnating at the time of confluence of the end of Kali-Yuga and the beginning of Sat-Yuga,or in other words, at the conjunction of the cessation and the progression of the Kalpa, for the purpose of the annihilation of Unrighteousness and the establishment of the one Original Eternal religion of "AHAM BRAHM ASMI" is the DIVINE Father PRAJAPATI Brahma, THE Gita THE IMPARTER OF IMPERISHABLE WISDOM AND THE BESTOWER OF DIVINE INSIGHT, and NOT SREE Krishna!!!!!! ;

11) The Divine Prince, Kalgidhar Sree Krishna , with whom, of course, you so frequently play the Divine Dance and enjoy the most marvellous music of the richly bejewelled flute while in Divine Trance, is really born in the beginning of Sat-Yuga in Brahm-Puri(Angelic World) and not at the end of Kali-Yuga and the beginning of Sat-Yuga ;

12) Aha! Oh Divine Children of PRAJAPATI Brahma, you have luckily taken birth at the junction of Shudra-Puri or Kali-Yuga and Brahm-Puri(Angelic World) or Sat-Yuga, and are due to soon transmigrate into Sat-Yuga or Brahm-Puri(Angelic World) after complete annihilation of Kali-Yuga or Shudra-Puri ;

13) Oh dear Divine Ones of the Divine Father! You alone possess the power of acquiring the Sovereignty of TRILOKI (the entire world) by virtue of the waging of the non-violent war of "MAN MANA BHAVA, MADHYAJI BHAVA" (concentrating full attention upon SELF) ;

14) What you are now waiting to see still in practical is only the remaining portion of this Mahabharat War, yet to be acted, which too, however, you have not failed to foresee through Divine Insight ;

15) as depicted in the Preordained Plan of the World Wheel, the various dynasties, established at different times, spread their sovereignty and power over proportionate portions of the world according to their Divine Power, and ultimately get annihilated and merged simultaneously into unbounded Divine Light ;

16) Each of these outstanding Dynasties is founded by its Divine Father through the Divine Power of His Non-Violent Sabre of Imperishable Divine Wisdom ;

[shivsena]

Dear sachkhand Bhai.

IMO, In simple terms " Aham Brahm Asmi." means that we all have to become bap-samaan, as it is said in Vanis follow brahma-bap or become karmatit like brahma-bap.....but the million dollar question is who is this karmatit brahma bap ??? ....is it DL(Krishna) or is it Mama (brahma -- badi Maa) who became karmatit in 1965.

shivsena.

[Sach_Khand]

Of the points to churn from the answers given by OM Radhey, point number 10 says that,

Original Eternal religion of "AHAM BRAHM ASMI" is established by the DIVINE Father PRAJAPATI Brahma, THE Gita THE IMPARTER OF IMPERISHABLE WISDOM AND THE BESTOWER OF DIVINE INSIGHT, and NOT SREE Krishna!!!!!!

How can this be explained?
Who is this Prajapati Brahma? And how is he different from Sree Krishna?

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[shivsena]

Of the points to churn from the answers given by OM Radhey, point number 10 says that,
Original Eternal religion of "AHAM BRAHM ASMI" is established by the DIVINE Father PRAJAPATI Brahma, THE Gita THE IMPARTER OF IMPERISHABLE WISDOM AND THE BESTOWER OF DIVINE INSIGHT, and NOT SREE Krishna!!!!!!
How can this be explained?
Who is this Prajapati Brahma? And how is he different from Sree Krishna?
Sanjeev.

Dear sanjeev Bhai.

Good question...we will have to churn about who is this prajapati brahma.... and what is the difference between prajapita and prajapati.

shivsena.

[Sach_Khand]

Who is this Prajapati Brahma? And how is he different from Sree Krishna?
Sanjeev.

Dear sanjeev Bhai.
Good question...we will have to churn about who is this prajapati Brahma. and what is the difference between prajapita and prajapati.
shivsena.

Dear Shivsena,
do you mean to say that Sree Krishna is Prajapita? Because I have questioned about the difference between Sree Krishna and Prajapati.

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[Sach_Khand]

This new topic is interesting because it deals with very important personalities in the histroy of religion.

In the early literature of yagnya (given in history) there is a pdf file "Pre Ordained War" (English). In that on the page 12 there is picture of wheel. In that wheel picture Brahma, Abraham, Buddha and Christ all are called as Divine Father Prajapati.

In this topic, I would like to discuss about these personalities. Who are those souls and at present can we identify them in our yagnya.

First I will give what I think about them.

Brahma, Buddha and Christ are all one soul. And it is Mama Jagadamba Saraswati.
Abraham or Ibrahim or Ab-Ram is the soul of Virendra Dev Dixit.

I do not have any Murli proofs for that. But according to my churnings based on Murlis AV and Bhakti marg points and my experiences to this date, I have given what I feel and think. I have left searching for Murlis and trying to get everyting from it now. Even before I just tried to churn on some basic points of gnyana and based on my experiences I got some thoughts and then I tried to tally them with Murli points. But now, I have left even that. I would just like to present my thoughts. Just take them as my views. Nothing to prove or disprove. I am just giving them as possibilities. If you would like to think about it do it or just leave it aside as waste. Please do not write persoanl comments and change the track or dilute the matter of the post.

For posting this topic, I just google searched Adam and Abraham. Below are couple of links.

http://injil.org/TWOR/18.html

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen041.html

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[Sach_Khand]

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/Buddha.html
If you cannot open the web page google search for Buddhist Imfluence in Christian origin. And click the link there.

http://www.jesusisbuddha.com/
I am quoting from the above link,
"The 27 books of the New Testament, as known, constitute the fundamental holy scripture of Christianity.

Without the four Gospels according to Matthew, to Mark, to Luke and to John, Christianity is virtually null and void.

Recent epoch-making discoveries of old Sanskrit manuscripts in Central Asia and Kashmir provide decisive proof that the four Greek Gospels have been translated directly from the Sanskrit.

A careful comparison, word by word, sentence by sentence shows that the Christian Gospels are Pirate-copies of the Buddhist Gospels (combined, of course, with words from the OT). God's word, therefore, is originally Buddha's word."

Some more links,
http://www.jesusisbuddha.com/opinions.html
http://www.jesusisbuddha.com/countess.html
http://www.jesusisbuddha.com/review.html
http://www.jesusisbuddha.com/thundy.html
http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/vie ... =18&t=3017

:neutral:
Sanjeev.