AIVV false story about caves

[ANU]

Here I present another false story spread by AIVV.

AIVV teaches that we can find proofs that when Copper Age started human started creating pictures first which we can find in caves of Ajanta, Ellora, Elephanta.

Let's count - the Copper Age starts 500 BCE (according to the 5000 year cycle); so the caves should be dated app 500 BCE and contain pictures connected to pre-Hindu beliefs at that time (because no other faith in Bharat existed at that time; Islam went to the west, acc. to this doctrine).

Ajanta - 31 rock-cut cave monuments which date from the 2nd century BCE.The caves were built in two phases starting around 200 BCE, with the second group of caves built around 600 CE.

Ellora - the 34 "caves" being Buddhist, Hindu and Jain rock-cut temples and monasteries, were built between the 5th century and 10th century.

Elephanta - the rock cut architecture of the caves has been dated to between the 5th and 8th CE, although the identity of the original builders is still a subject of debate. The first is a large group of five Hindu caves, the second, a smaller group of two Buddhist caves. The Hindu caves contain rock cut stone sculptures, representing the Shaiva Hindu sect, dedicated to the god Shiva.

Great difference in dating, is not it? Where 500 BCE and where the dates of the caves!


It is also worth remembering that AK teaches the images and sculpures of Shiva and Shankar are the oldest in the earth and that they are found all over the earth !
Facts from archeological excavations show something else, something contrary to what AK teaches. Shiva and Shankar are not found all over the world and it is not true that they are most numerous images in the world as AK teaches.

Also the analysis of Vedas show that the term Shiva was used only as an agnomen/epitet to such gods as Agni and Indra, not as a name of a separate god. God Rudra was addressed as 'Shiva'. Research based on archeological discoveries and vedic literature which is far older than eposes like the Ramayana and Mahabharata to which AK refers, show that the idea of god Shiva and the idea of Shiva-Shankar were later products, begining app. at the time of puranas.

[arjun]

Om Shanti. ShivBaba speaks in general terms and cannot be expected to give exact dates like historians. Otherwise, people would start expecting him to act like a doctor, historian, geographist, mathematician, scientist, etc. etc.

It is also worth remembering that AK teaches the images and sculpures of Shiva and Shankar are the oldest in the earth and that they are found all over the earth !
Facts from archeological excavations show something else, something contrary to what AK teaches. Shiva and Shankar are not found all over the world and it is not true that they are most numerous images in the world as AK teaches.

He meant to say that phallus-like objects of worship have been found in excavations at the sites of ancient civilizations.
The following interesting information was sent to me by a PBK many years ago which I had stored in my email account:

"Om Shanti. An interesting piece of information for the PBKs published in the English Newspaper "Times of India" in its supporting edition called "Times International" on the right hand side top corner of page 31 today, i.e. 27.07.05 at New Delhi. It shows the pictures of some ancient idols of phalluses with a write-up which says:

OLDEST PHALLUS: A sculpted and polished phallus found in a German cave is among the earliest representations of male sexuality ever uncovered, researchers say. The 20-cm-long, 3-cm-wide stone object, dated to be about 28,000 years old, was buried in the Hohle Fels cave near Ulm in the Swabian Jura."