Who is Bharat and who are Bharatwasis ??

[Sach_Khand]

I have4 already explained that annadi means Prajapita was already there when Shiv descended.

In what sense? Crores of human beings are here when Shiv descended. So what difference is there? Then why are not all those people in 1936 called as Anadi.

Here the difference comes between me and you. What is the meaning of anaadi according to you?

That is not created at any particular point of time in this drama.

When Baba says- srushti is anaadi- what does it mean?

It is not created by anyone at any particalr point of time in the world cycle.

Is there any Murli point that says- jeevatma is anaadi?

Is Prajapita a jeevatma or not? Then Prajapita is Anadi means what?
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Sanjeev.

[mbbhat]

In what sense? Crores of human beings are here when Shiv descended. So what difference is there?

There is no difference at all.

Then why are not all those people in 1936 called as Anadi.

Because shiv needs only one Chariot. So he is talking about one person. Lowkik people think - when God descends takes some avtaar forms. They think a new thing arrives. They do not know that the existing thing itself is purified. They do not know god takes support of existing body. Hence Baba says- Prajapita is anaadi. That is- I am here- in Dada Lekhraj.

God does not come in other bodies. so Baba calls Prajapita as anaadi. Baba never said the other souls are not anaadi! When I am talking about palace, I will talk about that. I will not bother about small homes or houses. so when Baba speaks about Prajapita, he draws concentration of children to that Sakar personality.

That is not created at any particular point of time in this drama.

What is creation?

It is not created by anyone at any particalr point of time in the world cycle.

When you believe the whole srushti is not at all creation (not created), how can there be creator? How can god be called as creator?

Is Prajapita a jeevatma or not? Then Prajapita is Anadi means what?

Yes, Prajapita is jivatma. But I have not heard a Murli point saying- jivatma is anaadi. It is OK.

Like srushti is anaadi, even Prajapita is also anaadi. Like Srushti is creation, Prajapita is also creation.

Summary:- Creation means transformation. So god just transforms something that is already existing!

Already existing means anaadi. Transformation means creator.

God is karan karaavan haar. so god does as well as gets the thing done. so when he is karaavanhaar, BKs become master creators.

Have not you heard the Murli point - Master rachtaa/creator? Is it just one or many souls? Prajapita is number one master creator. That is all. But his part is very vast and uncomparable to any other soul, because he is combined with ShivBaba even physically

[Sach_Khand]

Have not you heard the Murli point - Master rachtaa/creator? Is it just one or many souls? Prajapita is number one master creator. That is all. But his part is very vast and uncomparable to any other soul, because he is combined with ShivBaba even physically

I think the above point can clear your doubts.
Master rachtaa means what?
He is rachtaa and His children too are rachtaa and hence are called as "master" rachtaa (as is called for child actors of a film).
Now the question is are the souls called as master rachtaa or children in human form or jeevatma are called master rachtaa?
If jeevatma children are called master rachtaa then how is the actual rachtaa whose children too are called as "master" ractaa?
I feel that the original rachtaa too has to be jeevatma (because there is no question of creation of souls). And this is the practical form of ShivBaba. And this is "Prajapita", the rachtaa along with ShivBaba (Prajapita bhee creator hai). Prajapita is nowhere called as "master" rachtaa. He is creator along with ShivBaba. And children are the creation. And these children too become creators after a certain qualification ( I do not know what is the qualification). And hence the children are not creators on their own from the beginning. They are creation first. And whose creation? Of Prajapita Brahma. And hence Prajapita is Anadi.
There is no one who has created Prajapita. It is said in Murlis that all human beings are children of Prajapita. It is nowhere said in Murlis that anyone has created Prajapita or that Prajapita is rachana of someone. But children are rachana. And when they become rachtaa they have their rachana. And Prajapita becomes Great 2 GrandFather.
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Sanjeev.

[mbbhat]

I feel that the original rachtaa too has to be jeevatma

Have you heard a Murli point- "abhi main bhi jivatma banaa hun. Yah meri stree hai = now even I (Shiv) have become jivatma. "

so will you please explain how shiv is jivatma?

I have not got answer for the question - when you believe the whole srushti is not created, then how come shiv is creator?

There is no one who has created Prajapita. It is said in Murlis that all human beings are children of Prajapita. It is nowhere said in Murlis that anyone has created Prajapita or that Prajapita is rachana of someone.

17-10-200(2):- samjho koyi Christian hai, to unhon ka beejroop CHRIST thahraa. Tumhaaraa BEEJROOP KOUN hai? BAP, kyonki Bap hee AAKAR swarg kaa STHAAPAN karte hain Brahma dwaaraa. BRAHMA KO HEE PRAJAPITA KAHAA JAATAA HAI. RACHTAA NAHEEN kahenge. In dwaaraa bacchje adopt kiye jaate hain. Brahma ko bhee create karte hain na. Bap aakar pravesh kar yah rachte hain. ShivBaba kahte hain tum mere bacche ho. Brahma ko bhee kahte hain tum mere sakari bacche ho.

= Brahma alone is called as Prajapita. Not the creator. ... even Brahma is also created, is it not? Father comes and enters. ShivBaba says- you are my childern. even to Brahma (ShivBaba says)- you are my corporeal child.


We are going off topic. so I think better to discuss this in the other thread.

Anadi Prajapita: Is Creator and not creation, hence Anadi.

http://bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2171

[Sach_Khand]

We are going off topic. so I think better to discuss this in the other thread.
Anadi Prajapita: Is Creator and not creation, hence Anadi.

http://BK-PBK.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2171

I have answered in that topic,
http://bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t= ... =15#p33462

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Sanjeev.

[shivsena]

Dear bk-pbk brothers.

In Murlis it is said: "Bharatwasis hi patthar-buddhi bante hain aur Bharatwasis hi paras-buddhi bante hain." [meaning: "It is bharatwasis who become stone-intellect and paras-intellect."]

Can any bk/pbk please give his views as to who are these Bharatwasis and when do they become patthar-buddhi and paras-buddhi ????

shivsena.

[shivsena]

* Who are
1) Bharatwasi,
2) Swadeshi,
3) Videshi,
4) Double videshi?

Dear brother.

The term "Bharatwasis" is often mentioned in both Murlis and Vanis, but i have never read the terms "videshi" and "double videshis" in any Murli, but only in avaykt Vanis and I have never read the word ''swadeshi'' in any Vani or Murli.....if anyone has a Murli which mentions the words "swadeshi", "videshi", or "double videshi", then please write the point with date.

My view : ''Bharatwasis'' means PBKs in behad ka drama (who are sleeping in ignorance thinking advance knowledge is sacchi Gita).
''Videshis'' means 108 souls when compared to PBKs(bharatwasis) and "double videshis" also means 108 souls when compared to both bk-pbk family (as 108 king souls will have a completely different interpretations of Murli points when compared to BKs-PBKs)

It would be interesting to know the official view of advance knowledge and also the views of other pbk brothers on the above very important terminologies.

shivsena.

[shivsena]

To all pbk brothers.

Murli 1-5-03 says: "Sarva-vyapi ke Gyan ne bharatwasis ko bilkul kangaal banaa diya hai".[meaning: "the knowledge of omnipresence has made bharatwasis completely insolvent")

What is sarva-vyapi ka Gyan and who are the bharatwasis in this behad ka drama and how do they become kangaal ???

shivsena.

[shivsena]

To all pbk brothers.

Murli 25-2-97 says: "Shiv ki jayanti kab hoti hai, va shiv kab avtarit hote hain, yeh bharatwasis nahin jaante.....shiv ko maante hain parantu wah kab janam lete hain yeh nahin jaante."
[meaning: "when shiv-jayanti takes place or when shiv incarnates, this is not known to bharatwasis.....they believe in shiv, but when shiv takes birth, they do not know."]

The above Murli point clearly describes the behad ka drama, where shiv-bindi is known to BKs/PBKs both, but how and when shiv will incarnate in the near future at the end of Kali Yugi shooting, is not known to either of them.

shivsena.

[Surya_40]

i do agree. Because shiv will do his part in sangamayug for 100 years in three different part. Already Two part was over.therefore bk/pbk do not know real Father, only they knew through brahma and Prajapita brahma (both are titled not real) . Hence no one find real Father after 2002 and Shankar can not be called Bhagawan.
by surya

[shivsena]

To all pbk brothers.

Murli 4-10-08 says: "ShivBaba, jisko Ram kahete hain, unka janam bhi Bharat mein hai...toh Bharat ko hi Ram parampita paramatma aakar patit se pavan banate hain".
..."Ram ka parivar toh bahut chota hai."

My interpretation of the above point:
ShivBaba ie shivshakti (who is Ram' soul ie Mama) will incarnate in Bharat in future and Bharat(Krishna) ko hi Ram parampita paramatma(shivshakti combined) will make him pure(as he has become impure by teaching impure advance knowledge).

Ram's family is very small and will consist of only 108 souls only. (ShivBaba + 108 saligram).

Pbk views are welcome to give their views, as to who is Bharat and who is Ram ShivBaba.(as the above point clearly indicates that Bharat and Ram are different)
shivsena.

[shivsena]

Dear roy Bhai and pbk brothers.

Sharing an interesting Murli point on Bharat and Ravan.

Murli 30-9-03 says: "Ravan ko jalane ka Bharat mein hi rivaz hai, aur koi jagaha nahin jalate....Ab iss par samjana tum bacchon ka kaam hai.....Ravan kiska dushman tha ?....bharatwasion ka dushman tha."
[meaning: "Ravan's effigy is burnt only in Bharat, not in any other place.....now this has to be explained only by you children(108)... Whose enemy was Ravan ??...Ravan was the enemy of bharatwasis (PBKs) ]

The above Murli point is describing the connection of Ravan with Bharat and bharatwasis.

Why is Ravans's effigy burnt only in Bharat and not in any other country.....because in Sangamyug personified Ravan exists only in pbk world(representing Bharat) and not in the bk world (representing the western world.)....and in the end when personified Ravan will be revealed as dushman of bharatwasis(PBKs)....then the same thing will be remembered in the broad drama by bharatwasis of bharatland, as burning the effigy of Ravan.

shivsena.

[Roy]

Murli 30-9-03 says: "Ravan ko jalane ka Bharat mein hi rivaz hai, aur koi jagaha nahin jalate....Ab iss par samjana tum bacchon ka kaam hai.....Ravan kiska dushman tha ?....bharatwasion ka dushman tha."
[meaning: "Ravan's effigy is burnt only in Bharat, not in any other place.....now this has to be explained only by you children(108)... Whose enemy was Ravan ??...Ravan was the enemy of bharatwasis (PBKs) ]

The above Murli point is describing the connection of Ravan with Bharat and bharatwasis.

Why is Ravans's effigy burnt only in Bharat and not in any other country.....because in Sangamyug personified Ravan exists only in pbk world(representing Bharat) and not in the bk world (representing the western world.)....and in the end when personified Ravan will be revealed as dushman of bharatwasis(PBKs)....then the same thing will be remembered in the broad drama by bharatwasis of bharatland, as burning the effigy of Ravan

Dear Shivsena Bhai

When the effigy of Ravan has ten heads, how in your opinion does this relate to Baba Dixit?

Roy

[shivsena]

Dear Shivsena Bhai
When the effigy of Ravan has ten heads, how in your opinion does this relate to Baba Dixit?
Roy

Dear roy Bhai.

IMO, the ten heads of Ravan do not represent the 10 souls as described by baba dixit ... in Bhakti, Ravan is shown as 10 heads with one body.... so i feel that 10 heads means the personified Ravan has the intellect of 10 seed souls of various religion who come under his control for varying periods, until the 108 true rudra souls break away from Ravan-rajya and with the help of Murlis and Vanis (weapons of knowledge) and with rememberence of Ramshivbaba(Mama no. 1 shivshakti) they overcome Ravan and become instrumental in establishing true Ram-rajya....[this is remembered in Bhakti as Ram and his monkey army(108) overcame Ravan and established Ram-rajya.]

shivsena.

[arjun]

so i feel that 10 heads means the personified Ravan has the intellect of 10 seed souls of various religion who come under his control for varying periods, until the 108 true rudra souls break away from Ravan-rajya

Do inform us when u hv recognized one of the heads or one among the 108.