mbbhat wrote: I have never said so. i have already said that he comes in corporeal and gives knowledge. but he tells us to practice incorporeal things. That is digesting.
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Is gaining digesting power corporeal activity or incorporeal for a yogi?
So why do you need to be in a corporeal body. It is said ant matey so gatey. What does this mean? Do you not need to have corporeal body to do purusharth? Why ant matey so gatey. Even after leving body practice digesting as anyway it is incorporeal activity.
mbbhat wrote: So do you believe the souls of Prajapita never becomes impure? Is body of prajapita impure? Baba says- number one impure and number one pure is this (Dada Lekhraj = Shyam sundar). So do you think actually soul and body of Dada Lekhraj does not become impure, but just looks or makes darker?
Baba has said- those who are completely viceless only become completely vicious. Will you comment about these?
It is wrong writing souls of Prajapita.
First understand the concept of beads and then you will understand what I have written. Bead is neither the corporeal body nor the soul, the "I", which goes to Paramdham in the end.
mbbhat wrote: Because children have not become completed. If a student has not passed the first stage/std, he cannot be given knowledge of second std.
Also new children are continuously coming. So for them Baba has to be here.
Will you please expalin why Baba has not returned to Paramdham?
The issue I have raised is when you too accept that shiv has not gone to Paramdham then where is He? In the skies? Is there no need of any body?
mbbhat wrote: This is what I had said- just by discussing we will not become gyaani. We need to become introvert. I agree that I have wasted 90% of my time here. Just 10% was beneficial.
Do you believe similar? If not, will you say what benefit you have attained and helped others in it?
It seems I have wasted. But in reality it is not so. I have gained.
I could get Murli points which I do not have. This helped me in getting my understanding more clear and helped in churning the knowledge. And it has kept me going and has worked like a stimulation. Also it has helped me in changing myself in behaviour. By being in touch with others and reacting with them I could see my faults and try changing them.
Although we are not in contact practically but still ther has been exchange of energies. And I think it has been for good.
mbbhat wrote: Don't you see lack of maturity in giving such conclusion? How can you say that no one understands?
Have you understood when you listened that soul is a point of light? Have you understood Soul? If you have actually understood Soul, then according to a Murli point you must have understood The GodFather too.
mbbhat wrote: Once again wrong comments- Have I said so? You have to practice not just hearing.
Hope you are OK.
Just read what you have written, "There is saying half knowledge is dangerous. similar thing is this. You cannot say what is to be done. then what is the use?"
The reply you have written that my comment is wrong and that there is need to practise and just hearing will not do, can you not apply this to the understanding of beads and rosary. Why have you asked me what to do? And also commented that half knowledge is dangerous.
Practise being aware of consciousness, the "I". We all keep saying I do this I do that and so on but can we not be aware of the "I" by practising. And in this journey itself you will understand what is a bead and what does rosary of beads mean.
mbbhat wrote: So do you believe you have never lied here or at least believe you have stopped saying lies?
First tell me, are you doing purusharth for my sake or for your own sake? If you want to do purusharth do it or else leave. I have told because you asked and there is no need for you to know what all I do. You are not ShivBaba so that I should give my potamale to you.
mbbhat wrote: Ego does nopt control me. But I am surrenderring myself to ego. I am aware of that. I have already said- I have ego of knowledge.
It is not good surrenderring to ego.
I am writing because you asked to tell. I am writing what I have tried in my life for many years.
mbbhat wrote: To whom you are teaching all these? To me or to all the readers here? I write here with the only intention that the members here will be able to get truth from our discussion. In fact I am not at all with you or any member here. Because I do not fight/argue with anyone else for my benefit or the others. I am just performing my part as per drama according to my judgement hoping that it will yield soe benefit to others.
I am writing here so that I can express my feelings and understanding and gain from others. I am trying to help myself. And it is better for you too to help yurself first.
mbbhat wrote: But I have gained something- like 10% what I have said.
Thank to all those here for this.
mbbhat wrote: Will you express how to seek truth? In Bhaktimarg, people did seeking truth for 2500 yrs. Did they find it? Even in Confluence Age more than 70 yrs are completed. Will you express how many souls have found the truth at least to step ahead?
Have yuo not read the Murli point which says that the fruit of Bhakti is gnyan. And if someone does not understand knowledge that means he/she has not done Bhakti. And it is also said that those who have done avyabhichari Bhakti will understand gnyan better.
If you do not know how to seek, it is very childish. You knwo to seek for food and to seek for water and shelter. Just do what you do in seeking for all those. Just change the objects like food, water etc., with knowledge of self and Shiv.
mbbhat wrote: Will you express whether you have moved ahead after coming to gyaan or not?
Why do yu want it? In what way will you be benefitted by my answer?Why waste your energy thinking about others purusharth results.
mbbhat wrote: I know this every well and than you for guiding others.
I am really feeling like laughing. Please let me laugh :laugh: :laugh:
mbbhat wrote: Any number of bodies can be produced. It perishes. So do you mean even the beads are temporary? Will you express from what these beads are made up of (if they are not eternal). If they are eternal, then what are they?
Again my answer is just get within and experience yourself. My answer to your question is that I do not know what they are made up of.
All of them are not eternal. Some are. And with them the next world cycle starts.
In Christianity, when they pray they request The GodFather to save their soul. I think this is what they mean. They want their bead to be saved. In Hinduism soul is eternal. It is absurd requesting to save my soul. But in Bk knowledge too probably there is mistake in unerstanding bead. It is taken as soul. I think this is not so.
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Sanjeev.