How does ShivBaba speak?

[mbbhat]

It is better to know how ShivBaba speaks. That is- not just the physical aspects like- incorporeal Supreme Soul ShivBaba needs a corporeal body, etc etc. But it is also very important to know the frequency of ShivBaba. Like Baba says- I do dance of knowledge. So it is better to know the steps of dance of Baba.

How a person will dance when he is in bliss? Or how a person will dance when he tries to make others also happy? That is which dance will fill our intoxication to the highest possible extent?

That is- by seeing which dance even we will also get motivated to dance with the dancer?

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It is said- if you follow all the rules, you will lose all the fun. so will ShivBaba dance according to a single tune or will he change it?

Why does ShivBaba use English like words in Murli? Sometimes even sindhi words?

[arjun]

Om Shanti. ShivBaba uses English words because it is an international language. He used Sindhi words while speaking through Brahma Baba (Dada Lekhraj) because the mothertongue of the Chariot was Sindhi. Similarly, sometimes ShivBaba uses the local Hindi dialect of Farrukhabad, UP when He speaks through Shankar (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit). Or may be those words are spoken by the soul of the Chariot.
OGS,
Arjun

[mbbhat]

1) Similarly, sometimes ShivBaba uses the local Hindi dialect of Farrukhabad, UP when He speaks through Shankar (Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit). 2) Or may be those words are spoken by the soul of the Chariot.

1)Can you give some examples?

2)In Sakar Murli, some words were also of Brahma Baba. So does it happen even in pbk family? Does Mr. dixit also speaks sometimes while reading Sakar Murlis and explaining?

3)Is there anything like Murli or bhagavaanuvaach in pbk family independent of Sakar Murlis spoken by Brahma Baba?

4)Does Brahma Baba also speaks through Mr. Dixit sometimes?

[arjun]

Om Shanti.
I don't have any example of local dialect of Farrukhabad being spoken by ShivBaba through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit in clarification Murlis. But these can be found in the initial clarification Murlis which were narrated when video recording of Murlis had not begun in the Advance Party, but only the audio recording was available.

The soul of Ram (i.e. Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) also speaks in between when incidents of his personal life are mentioned in the clarification Murlis.

There are many Murlis which were spoken extempore by ShivBaba (through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) without the involvement of Sakar Murlis. Moreover more than a thousand discussion CDs are available where Baba must have spoken continuously for many minutes continuously either in response to someone's query or even on his own. Even that constitutes Murli.

Brahma Baba also speaks through the body of Shankar (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit).

[mbbhat]

Do PBKs differentiate whether words spoken by Shiv, dixit or Dlekhraj? If yes, how?

[mbbhat]

mbbhat wrote:- Baba can speak anything

Sachkhand wrote:- I do not believe Baba can speak anything

SM 18-12-72(1):- Manushy kahte hain mann ki shanti chaahiye. Vo kaise mile. Is par shaayad ek kitaab chap RAHAA hai vaa chapaa thaa.
= People say we need peace of mind. How to get it? Most probably a book on this topic was printed or is getting printed.

SM 15-10-71(3):- Yah LN, seedhi ke chitr samjhaane achche hain. Bahuton ka insay kalyaan ho sakta hai. Parantu Drama may shaayad deri hai. Isliye vighn padte rahte hain.

= Pictures of LN, ladder are good to explain. Benefits of many can happen through this. But probably there is late in drama.

why does God use the word Shaayad= probably?

Does not the knowledgeful know the truth?

Dear arjun Soul,

even your replies are welcome.

[arjun]

Om Shanti. Probably ShivBaba uses such words because He does not project Himself as God but as an ordinary person.

[mbbhat]

Om Shanti. Probably ShivBaba uses such words because He does not project Himself as God but as an ordinary person.

I believe the above is one of the right answers.

But dear arjun soul,

PBKs believe all the words of God are just for BKs and PBKs, is it not?

Then how can question of not projecting himself as god arises?

[mbbhat]

mbbhat wrote:- Baba can speak anything

Sachkhand replied- I do not believe Baba can speak anything

SM 11-4-78(1):- Geet- door ke musaafir humko bhi saath le chal. ..... Om Shanti. Yah record to sab sun rahe hain. Door ke musaafir humko bhi saath le chal. YAH TUM BACHCHE HEE JAANTE HO AUR VAASTAV MAY 24 GHANTAA YAH Yaad ZAROOR RAHNI CHAHIYE. BACHCHE MAATPITAA KO HUMESHAA 24 GHANTE HEE Yaad KARTE HAIN. Achchaa. Hai hee unkey bachche. Maatpita se varsaa lenge. Tum JAANTE HO HUMAARAA MAATPITAA VAH HAI DOOR KE RAHNEVAALAA. YAH MAATPITAA NAZDEEK KE RAHNEVAALE HAIN. Sab manushy us door ke musaafir ko Yaad karte hain. -88- [matpita, wot, mistakes]
= ....Children always remember maatpita 24 hours. ...

Dear Sachkhand soul,

Can you explain this?

[Sach_Khand]

SM 11-4-78(1):- Geet- door ke musaafir humko bhi saath le chal. ... Om Shanti. Yah record to sab sun rahe hain. Door ke musaafir humko bhi saath le chal. YAH TUM BACHCHE HEE JAANTE HO AUR VAASTAV MAY 24 GHANTAA YAH Yaad ZAROOR RAHNI CHAHIYE. BACHCHE MAATPITAA KO HUMESHAA 24 GHANTE HEE Yaad KARTE HAIN. Achchaa. Hai hee unkey bachche. Maatpita se varsaa lenge. Tum JAANTE HO HUMAARAA MAATPITAA VAH HAI DOOR KE RAHNEVAALAA. YAH MAATPITAA NAZDEEK KE RAHNEVAALE HAIN. Sab manushy us door ke musaafir ko Yaad karte hain. -88- [matpita, wot, mistakes]
= ....Children always remember maatpita 24 hours. ...

Dear Sachkhand soul,

Can you explain this?

Even ShivBaba will not sit and explain everthng that you question in Murlis. It is said in Murlis that even Dada talks inbetween. So, it is very difficult to answer contradicting points. But what I feel is that Shiv has not come to tell anything anytime. He does not go on telling imaginary stories. He has come to tell the summary of Bhaktimarg and the actual Truth. So, it is a waste to question me (or for that matter anyone) like this.
There are Murli points where it is categorically said about some point and it is said that this needs to be understood or explained. And when such point comes I feel these points have the correct meaning regarding that point. For example, many times Mama Saraswati is called as mother, but in Murlis there are points which categorically says that Mama Saraswati is not the mother. It is Brahma who is actually the Mother.
So when you have two such contradicting points there is no use in keep on arguing that here is a point which says mother for Mama Saraswati.

It is upto everyone of us to take what we feel is correct. If you find anything that is useful in the churning you can take or else leave. ShivBaba is the only authority and he does not keep explaining. He just tells what is correct. How it is correct and how to explain it, this is all done by Dada or Mama or other children numberwise.
ShivBaba has not come to tell anything, just anything, truth or false. No.
He has come to tell The Truth.

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[mbbhat]

So, it is very difficult to answer contradicting points. But what I feel is that Shiv has not come to tell anything anytime.

Yes- that is right. At least you agree this! So you may not say in future like - "You are wrong"

ShivBaba has not come to tell anything, just anything, truth or false. No.
He has come to tell The Truth.

But what i feel is he has come to make us realize truth more than to speak truth. hence he may speak in different ways which look like lies.

For example initially to a child, it is said- earth is like a ball, then orange, then the reality.

[Sach_Khand]

Yes- that is right. At least you agree this! So you may not say in future like - "You are wrong"

I accept that it is not good to judge anyone's churning. But Murlis have said about some things very categorically and stressing them. And if we give opposite opinions to even such points it forces to write directly that "you are wrong". But still if you feel that you are actually correct then possibly I am wrong.

But what i feel is he has come to make us realize truth more than to speak truth. hence he may speak in different ways which look like lies.
For example initially to a child, it is said- earth is like a ball, then orange, then the reality.

I have answered this.
Shiv just tells The Truth, as it is.
And children including Dada Lekharaj and Mama Saraswati churn and explain them. Shiv does not tell according to the example that you have given above, it is Mama and Baba (Brahma Baba) who do this.
:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[mbbhat]

Sachkhand soul wrote- Shiv just tells The Truth, as it is.

If possible explain how the above Murli point is true as it is. [24 hours remembrance...].

Do you believe whether this point is said by Shiv or Brahma?

Another example-

SM 1-9-82(3):- Ismey hain saari buddhi ki baath. Koyi toh vishaal buddhi jhat samajh jaate hain. Atma to hai hi star misal. Bhrukuti ke beech may badi cheez to thahar bhi na sake. Zaroor aisi cheez hai jo in aankhon se dekhney dekhney may nahin aati. Badi cheez ho to jhat dikhaayi de. Atma to ati sookshm hai bindi misal. Yah hain guhy te guhy baatein. SHURU MAY AKHAND JYOTI TATW KAHTHAY THAY. SHURU MAY STAR KAHEN TO SAMAJH NA SAKO. SAARI KNOWLEDGE EK HI DIN MAY THODE HEE DENGE. Din pratidin guhy baatein baap sunaate rahthay hain. Gyaan saagar se athaah dhan milta hai. Jahaan jeenaa hai tahaan gyaan amrut peete rahnaa hai. -2 [wot, dual, gyaan, atma]

= In beginning it was said- ahand jyoti tatw. If during beginning, it is said as bindu, you would not have understood....

I have also put a point in the thread- an atom bomb from ShivBaba- in common room -
- http://bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2111

where it is said- the old Murli points become useless. If you like please explain how they are truth as it is and also useless. how to know which points are useful/applicable fro present and future.

It is upto everyone of us to take what we feel is correct. If you find anything that is useful in the churning you can take or else leave.

this is foolish comment- Should I get your permission/suggestion to be here or leave?

ShivBaba is the only authority and he does not keep explaining. He just tells what is correct. How it is correct and how to explain it, this is all done by Dada or Mama or other children numberwise.

Does not even shiv also explain?
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Why does soul of Dada Lekhraj speak in between when Shiv speaks?

[Sach_Khand]

I have also put a point in the thread- an atom bomb from ShivBaba- in common room -
- http://BK-PBK.info/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2111

where it is said- the old Murli points become useless. If you like please explain how they are truth as it is and also useless. how to know which points are useful/applicable fro present and future.

My only question to you,
does Shiv tell lies?

this is foolish comment- Should I get your permission/suggestion to be here or leave?

Just see how you have responded to my simple repl, I quote "It is upto everyone of us to take what we feel is correct. If you find anything that is useful in the churning you can take or else leave."

I do no think that anyone who reads my reply understands the word "leave" the way yuo have taken it. You tell many times not to ake it personally or to the heart. Just see in what state of mind you sit to read the posts. You mistook the word "leave" for leaving the forum. Does that actually mean so? If someone who is better in English clarifies it, and if it really sounds so then I am really sorry. But I have not written it in that sense. I had written the word "leave" for leaving the churning of others without accepting it.

Does not even Shiv also explain?

Very little. Not for hours.

Why does soul of Dada Lekhraj speak in between when Shiv speaks?

I do not know.
:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[mbbhat]

My only question to you,
does Shiv tell lies?

Yes- if it helps (is necessary ) in realization of truth. But they are not called as lies, they are called as yuktis.

If truth is far, it cannot be said instantly. It will be of no use.

Suppose say- one wishes to go to place X from place A. Say there are many junctions (b, c, d, e, f, etc) between the points. In such case, one may say you have to got to X, but now you go to B. Till the person reaches B, he will/may not understand the next segment.

For example, for a small child, one may say- child you need to become doctor. But the whole path cannot be explained. The first aim is to pass the first std. Of course, there is final aim, but path is told gradually.

Similarly I think Baba says these segments (first std, second, third, etc) in different ways in Murlis. Those who have already passed second std only will be able to understand the next route/segment/std. Else they will not be able to realize that. Also once they pass a segment, the old path(that old Murli point) becomes useless to them.