Who declared that Shiva has gone back to Paramdham
Shiva and Drama
If the world drama repeats identically, then is any role needed from Shiva apart from to teach purity and take souls up to their full potential at the Confluence Age. I am thinking that does Shiva need to do anything else?
In other religions, it is taught how God creates the world. The whole Universe even. Yet according to the knowledge delivered by Shiva, all this is taken care of by the repeating Drama of souls, matter and nature.
What I mean is, is Shiva just a 100% pure and powerful soul who comes into the world Drama to teach us the same and the rest is all preprogrammed? If so then a lot of the abilties attributed to God from other religious teachings are actually just part of the Drama. To understand the true nature of Shiva, I think it's also important to understand what he doesn't or cannot do.
In other religions, it is taught how God creates the world. The whole Universe even. Yet according to the knowledge delivered by Shiva, all this is taken care of by the repeating Drama of souls, matter and nature.
What I mean is, is Shiva just a 100% pure and powerful soul who comes into the world Drama to teach us the same and the rest is all preprogrammed? If so then a lot of the abilties attributed to God from other religious teachings are actually just part of the Drama. To understand the true nature of Shiva, I think it's also important to understand what he doesn't or cannot do.
Yes, why is He here ... for such a short time ?To understand the true nature of Shiva I think it's also important to understand what he doesn't or cannot do.
I've always wondered why the drama is not simply 2500 years and 1 second and then destruction, so that the world simply remains in bliss. Why have Copper and Iron when can just have Gold and Silver for all eternity. Or simply just Gold, cut the cycle to 1250 years, parties and dancing forever.
So what does Shiva do for 4900 years, other than watching us, His children, suffer for half that time. Which kinds of leads back to the next basic question after "who am I" is ... "why am I here" ?
Questions questions ... why why ... Wah Wah. To be and not to be. :lol:
None at all, we can believe what we like.Freefall wrote:Is there any good reason for us to doubt this new revelation and continue with the old knowledge?
Actually though your post is one of ridicule, there are actually splinter groups (ex-BK) with different ideas of how the knowledge from Murlis is interpreted.
One being PBKs; http://geocities.com/meditation_bk/advanced.htm
and another being the Vishnu Party; http://www.discoveryofnewworld.com/
Dear brother freefall,
Where would this six age come from? How long will this world continue, how more of suffering, population, violence, starvation, and illnesses. You have just made up this New Age as a new joke. But we have not studied from any human being, is this funny? There are five ages and the one we are now is called the diamond age. Shiva does not give revelations like this to anyone. He comes in one only.
Where would this six age come from? How long will this world continue, how more of suffering, population, violence, starvation, and illnesses. You have just made up this New Age as a new joke. But we have not studied from any human being, is this funny? There are five ages and the one we are now is called the diamond age. Shiva does not give revelations like this to anyone. He comes in one only.
OK. Guilty as charged. But is my new 6-age joke any worse than the old 4-age joke?Andrey wrote: Where would this six age come from? How long will this world continue, how more of suffering, population, violence, starvation, and illnesses. You have just made up this New Age as a new joke.
Again I have disagreement here. We are in Diamond-1 age; not just Diamond. And Diamond-2 age is yet to come.There are five ages and the one we are now is called the diamond age. Shiva does not give revelations like this to anyone. He comes in one only.
The point is I can keep on making perfectly illogical (or should I say supra-logical :D ) statements as long as I can decieve people in believing that there is a Shiva baba who speaks through me!
You should convince others that you, yourself, are ShivBaba, not that He speaks through you. He himself comes and speaks. We can believe if the knowledge is true. Why do you think 4 age is a joke? Everything passes through these four stages, it is logical. If we say there is no karma, then we do whatever we like and nothing matters. it is even more illogical. If there is a karma law of cause and effect, then what is the cause of the first effect and what was this first cause an effect of. /the hen and the egg question/ so it is a cycle and one thing lead to the next to the next to the first, to the second to the tenth to the last, to the first.
By the way the asnwer to the question that if everything is already fixed then why do BKs do effort is that it is because they did in the last cycle. If in the last cycle they have done efferts, then how would they fail to do in this one?
By the way the asnwer to the question that if everything is already fixed then why do BKs do effort is that it is because they did in the last cycle. If in the last cycle they have done efferts, then how would they fail to do in this one?
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Andrey,Andrey wrote:You should convince others that you yourself is ShivBaba, not that He speaks through you. He himself comes and speaks. We can belive if the knowledge is true. Why do you think 4 age is a joke?
- does God have a sense of humor at all? Should we not become like him in all ways? For his sake, please lighten up a bit.
- • Logic and Karma
It is a different topic but no one has been able to explain to me WHERE karma is. That is to say, if it exists, where is it and how does it work upon us and drama. Is it external to souls, between two souls in some unspoken spiritual element, held in drama in some unexplained natural element, is it exact and precise or general, how does it work?
Like most of what you write, it is just belief and faith in those beliefs and there is no logical proof of them at all. I am not saying that they may not be true. We do not know. We cannot know, only gamble our lives on illogical faiths. When that illogic is challenged by the clear mirror of reason, we attempt to write all over it in order to hide it.
So pleases, start a new topic and explain the mechanics, not faith, of karma.
hear hear!ex-l wrote:does God have a sense of humor at all? Should we not become like him in all ways? For his sake, please lighten up a bit.
Anyway some Godly humour:
A Dadi said to Baba, we want you come in the Golden Age because we will miss you.
Baba replied teasingly, when you get there call me and I'll come.
When asked if all will be emperors in Golden Age Baba replied ... how can that happen, will you sit on each others heads on the throne.
And what methodology do you use to decide if the knowledge is true? It is true because it is coming from ShivBaba; it is coming from ShivBaba because the knowledge says so..Andrey wrote:You should convince others that you yourself is ShivBaba, not that He speaks through you. He himself comes and speaks. We can belive if the knowledge is true.
For the same reason you think that 6 age is a joke.Why do you think 4 age is a joke?
Mere assertion is no substitute for logic. And what do you mean by everything anyways? Give me the logic why everything has to pass through the four stages and I will show you how the same logic can be extended to 6 stages.Everything passes through these four stages, it is logical.
Is it? How many people in the world believe in the Law of Karma? Do they just go out and start doing whatever they feel like because nothing matters? You may find it hard to believe but there are many people in this world who are very good human beings despite never having heard of the Law of Karma.If we say there is no karma, then we do whatever we like and nothing matters. it is even more illogical.
Why not use Occam's razor instead? Drop the assumptions that do not help you explain anything. Useless assumptions only create complications down the line.and If there is a karma law of cause and effect, then what is the cause of the first effect and what was this first cause an effect of. /the hen and the egg question/ so it is a cycle and one thing lead to the next to the next to the first, to the second to the tenth to the last, to the first.
Perfectly fine. Now tell me where do you insert the Law of Karma.By the way the asnwer to the question that if everything is already fixed then why do BKs do effort is that it is because they did in the last cycle. If in the last cycle they have done efferts, then how would they fail to do in this one?
You said: "If we say there is no karma, then we do whatever we like and nothing matters." implying that reflecting on Law of Karma helps us to avoid bad choices.
However now you are saying that we don't really have a choice. In that case does belief in karma help me to explain anything? Why add another assumption that does not explain anything?
4 stages - of the moon, seasons, human life, the day. If you take 12 than 6 it is more likely thet the digit would fit for explanation.
For me the Law of Karma is connected with the soul and how it is influenced by what he does. It is said that what works in an action is not the action itself but the internal feeling and this is what brings results. Due to these we have made many relationships with many souls in the course of time.
One soul is not bonded by this influence and He comes and teaches the human souls how to get out of these bondages too /beacuse actions are neutral (akarma) in the Golden Age, Silver Age/ It is because when the action is performed in soul conciousness it does not bring any result.
Yes, we have no choice. Choice is already made. We just follow, but due to the course of following if we don't accept, like our role, our actions we indebt ourself with bad karma. We cannot change the world, the drama or our role, we can change the way we play our role. If we see our role as a role, detached, we play OK, then happiness comes. If we like someting more then something else and we don't receive it, we get angry. Why? This is lack of common sense. If we accept drama is good for us, better then we can think and create if for ourself, we live happily. If we deny our role, the drama, the knowledge, the Soul, the Supreme sou. We just go to wander to palces where we won't find rest. So again it comes to positive and negative mind.
Peace of mind is original religion of the soul. We just reach that and the world becomes OK. What is the aim of philosophy? It is to explain the world so that we may understand it and improve our living, live in harmony. So this is the way. This is the one who brings peace and this is the knowledge that brings answers.
For me the Law of Karma is connected with the soul and how it is influenced by what he does. It is said that what works in an action is not the action itself but the internal feeling and this is what brings results. Due to these we have made many relationships with many souls in the course of time.
One soul is not bonded by this influence and He comes and teaches the human souls how to get out of these bondages too /beacuse actions are neutral (akarma) in the Golden Age, Silver Age/ It is because when the action is performed in soul conciousness it does not bring any result.
Yes, we have no choice. Choice is already made. We just follow, but due to the course of following if we don't accept, like our role, our actions we indebt ourself with bad karma. We cannot change the world, the drama or our role, we can change the way we play our role. If we see our role as a role, detached, we play OK, then happiness comes. If we like someting more then something else and we don't receive it, we get angry. Why? This is lack of common sense. If we accept drama is good for us, better then we can think and create if for ourself, we live happily. If we deny our role, the drama, the knowledge, the Soul, the Supreme sou. We just go to wander to palces where we won't find rest. So again it comes to positive and negative mind.
Peace of mind is original religion of the soul. We just reach that and the world becomes OK. What is the aim of philosophy? It is to explain the world so that we may understand it and improve our living, live in harmony. So this is the way. This is the one who brings peace and this is the knowledge that brings answers.
4 stages of the moon? Really? Kindly enlighten me.Andrey wrote:4 stages - of the moon, seasons, human life, the day. If you take 12 than 6 it is more likely thet the digit would fit for explanation.
As far as the seasons are concerned, in India you will find three seasons, in tropical 6 will be more accurate. About human life you can break it in 1, 2, 4, or 6 stages or whatever number you fancy.
The contradiction starts here and goes on becoming more and more bizarre at every step. Let us see..Yes, we have no choice, Choice is already made. We just follow, but due to the course of following if we don't accept, like our role, our actions we indebt ourself with bad karma.
How can we not accept or not like our role if we did so 5000 years ago and vice versa? If we liked it 5000 years ago, we will like it again; if not, we won't this time either.
Hello!..How can we change it this time unless we did so 5000 years ago?We cannot change the world, the drama or our role, we can change the way we play our role.
Not at all. You forget that happiness comes because it came 5000 years ago.If we see our role as a role, detached, we play OK, then happiness comes.
Easy...because we got angry 5000 years ago..If we like someting more then something else and we don't receive it, we get angry. Why?
There you are! It is complete lack of common sense!!This is lack of common sense.
It does not come to positive and negative mind, dear sir. It comes to "5000 years" stupidity.If we accept drama is good for us, better then we can think and create if for ourself, we live happily. If we deny our role, the drama, the knowledge, the Soul, the Supreme sou. We just go to wander to palces where we won't find rest. So again it comes to positive and negative mind.
Think of that -- accepting or not accepting the drama is not in your control. It is repeated exactly in 5000 years cycle. Same goes about wandering places and not finding rest. Now what are you talking here? Forget about acceptance/ non-acceptance and all that BS. It is bound to be repeated exactly. is not it?
Ah, sir!...How can the world become OK ever? It will continue to be repeated exactly like this every 5000 years. Won't it?Peace of mind is original religion of the soul. We just reach that and the world becomes OK.
Any harmony based on falsehood cannot last. World does not care for our invented stories. If we understand the world through stories, then we have not understood anything.What is the aim of philosophy. It is to explain the world so that we may understand it and improve our living, live in harmony.
And before I forget...Even as per your stories you cannot bring harmony unless it was already there 5000 years ago.
Faith is different from knowledge. Faith is emotional conviction of truth. It may provide you a comfortable world view; but comfort of a world view is not sufficient to conclude that it corresponds to the reality.So this is the way. This is the one who brings peace and this is the knowledge that brings answers.
Dear brother,
We don't know what our role is like, that's why we act in the best positive way. We can also have positive thoughts that our role is the best of all. Can you deny that one can consiously create thoughts? We can create thoughts, is it not? So we create good, positive thoughts about ourselves, the drama etc. There is no loss in this, no true or lie. Would you agree that good thoughts bring good feelings etc. So this is our part.
It was just to add that the first cause then appears the one who is not bonded in the karma and makes others free too.
And there is also this relation that the more one has performed devotion, the more one receives knowledge.
We don't know what our role is like, that's why we act in the best positive way. We can also have positive thoughts that our role is the best of all. Can you deny that one can consiously create thoughts? We can create thoughts, is it not? So we create good, positive thoughts about ourselves, the drama etc. There is no loss in this, no true or lie. Would you agree that good thoughts bring good feelings etc. So this is our part.
It was just to add that the first cause then appears the one who is not bonded in the karma and makes others free too.
And there is also this relation that the more one has performed devotion, the more one receives knowledge.
I don't deny that ... And that is why I am out of this whole nonsense that tells me that I can have only those thoughts that occurred to me 5000 years ago.Andrey wrote: Can you deny that one can consiously create thoughts? We can create thoughts, is it not?
Stories after stories after stories ... you encounter a logical contradiction ... and here comes the story to plug the gap ... which leads to another contradiction. No problem. Here comes another story to plug the gap ... which leads to another ...It was just to add that the first cause then appears the one who is not bonded in the karma and makes others free too.
Get my point? There is no end to human ingenuity nor human gullibility.
Wrong! Completely wrong!!And there is also this relation that the more one has performed devotion, the more one receives knowledge.
One performs only that much devotion that one did 5000 years ago and receives only as much knowledge as one received 5000 years ago.
Whom are we fooling here, sir?
Of course, but then why do some take more knowledge then others? Why does someone makes more effort than others. How do we know who are we - the one who make good effort or slack effort? So these are all subtle signs to know ones part, e.g. souls belonging to a particular category would be having particular qualities, they would have made particular actions in the past. Our aim is to know our part. If we are souls and not these bodies and we have taken one body after another but still remain the same soul, then there should be rememberance for all these parts.One performs only that much devotion that one did 5000 years ago and receives only as much knowledge as one received 5000 years ago.
What do you say? That the whole knowledge is a joke or only the four parts of The Cycle? That they are not 4 but more or that there is not cycle at all? Because only saying that it is false is not enough. You should also tell what is true.
For me it is very different from everything. e.g. science has very different approach. It tries to come to know things from a point of view of being ignorant. Here this knowledge comes form an authority who claims himself to be knowledgeful, without study. This is new.
but this way it appears that Baba is very busy, but no he is never busy for his children, he is eager to hear news, how do we do etc ... like the film star likes receiveing letters etc, but here it is even a matter of relationship of children and Father. Baba has said we should never think he is busy...
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