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Discussion of ShivBaba's Knowledge & 'Advanced Knowledge', suited for EVERYONE associated with 'PrajaPita Brahma Kumaris Spiritual Godly World University-cum-Hospital'.
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For those who wish to narrate their experiences about the BKs and PBK 'Advanced Knowledge' and post views about their NEW beliefs.
RudraPutra wrote: ...right now,i feel this to be a fight between me and an orphaned child....pity that i am not able to give myself for this fight as i know you are an orphan....if you really wanna fight....you can go ahead since there is no dhani dori for you,then it's obvious that you might be stubborn....but still let me know the Brahma of yours via whom your RAMSHIVBABA adopts you(or will adopt you)...
Dear rudraputra.
The biggest tragedy with PBKs is that they have accepted Baba Dixit as Ram Father without adequate proofs from Murlis or Vanis.... all Murli points directly or indirectly indicate that Virendra Dev Dixit is Krishna's soul and not Ram's soul.....so which world is orphans ki duniya??... it is the pbk world who has mistakenly identified Krishna(Bada Bhai) as Father and Shiva is giving many hints in Murlis about the same ("Bhai Bhai se varsa nahin milta...varsa milta hai Bap se")....in the pbk family Baba Dixit is addressed as Baba but he addresses the PBKs as Bhai and behan (which proves that a soul is talking to another soul)...if Father ShivBaba would talking then he would always say "Bacche bacche"(even in lokik life Father never addresses his children as Bhai and behan)....Murli say :"Krishna (Baba Dixit) ko Baba nahin kahenge" but PBKs persistently call Baba Dixit as Baba ....it is high time that PBKs wake up to the fact that they are calling Krishna as Baba.....ShivBaba's part will come in the end when Bharat (Krishna) has become 100% brashta-chari.
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shivsena wrote:Aaj-kal means nowadays (whatever is happening in the Yagya at present ... and not in the outside world.)....jhoote jawarhath ka dhanda ie. the business of false gems of knowledge is flourishing in the BK-PBK world at present.
Yagya...what is Yagya? first answer me this.....moreover this Yagya is of ShivBaba,hence Father is (directly or indirectly) related to Yagya....but how come you say that this Yagya is controlled by pbk's and doing jhootha dhanda.....again this is creating confusion.....if you say that pbk's are carrying their workout under the influence of Krishna,then how come you say it as Yagya as it should be led by RUDRA(how it is named so)?....where is RUDRA then?....in pbk world?....definitely he should be in pbk world...right?....let me know your views....
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: To share knowledge along with the groups and to bring truth in front of everyone with a hope that this might enlighten the truth in front of the joined members with an acknowledgement of knowing ShivBaba in an accurate form....
shivsena wrote:
....in the PBK family Baba Dixit is addressed as Baba but he addresses the PBKs as Bhai and behan (which proves that a soul is talking to another soul)...if Father ShivBaba would talking then he would always say "Bacche bacche"(even in lokik life Father never addresses his children as Bhai and behan)...
....great...one more important proof which proves that BAAP is GUPT....even while calling anyone he doesn't manifest as he is the corporeal form of SHIV...in Murli it has been said that "APAN KO BHAGWAN KEHNEWAALE HIRANYAKASHYAP HAI."...thanx for encouraging me with the Murli point....
Murli say :"Krishna (Baba Dixit) ko Baba nahin kahenge" but PBKs persistently call Baba Dixit as Baba ....it is high time that PBKs wake up to the fact that they are calling Krishna as Baba.....ShivBaba's part will come in the end when Bharat (Krishna) has become 100% brashta-chari.
....you consider him as Krishna,not pbk's(with satisfying proof)....so we will always call him baba....ShivBaba....
RudraPutra wrote: ....you consider him as Krishna,not PBK's(with satisfying proof)....so we will always call him Baba....ShivBaba....
Yes--i definitely think that Virendra Dev Dixit is Krishna's soul and not Ram as taught by advance knowledge and it is also said in one of the Vanis that ''tum bacche Bap ko doondte thei, lekin doondha Bhai ko.''
shivsena.
RudraPutra wrote: ....great...one more important proof which proves that BAAP is GUPT....even while calling anyone he doesn't manifest as he is the corporeal form of Shiv...in Murli it has been said that "APAN KO BHAGWAN KEHNEWAALE HIRANYAKASHYAP HAI."...thanx for encouraging me with the Murli point....
In advance knowledge, it was said by Virendra Dev Dixit that in the year when BKs declared (might be according to Av.V.) Baap ki pratyakshata ka varsha (Father's revealation year), in that same year Virendra Dev Dixit was revealed as Father.
So, what revealation took place then about Virendra Dev Dixit?
Is this not double talk by you.
And do you think that Supreme Soul Shiv will talk lies just to remain gupt? Because according to you Supreme Soul Shiv is calling Bhai to all His children instead of Bachee (as should be according to his own Murlis). And this is just to remain gupt? What kind of proof are you giving?
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Sanjeev.
RudraPutra wrote: Yagya...what is Yagya? first answer me this.....moreover this Yagya is of ShivBaba,hence Father is (directly or indirectly) related to Yagya....but how come you say that this Yagya is controlled by PBK's and doing jhootha dhanda.....again this is creating confusion.....if you say that PBK's are carrying their workout under the influence of Krishna,then how come you say it as Yagya as it should be led by RUDRA(how it is named so)?....where is RUDRA then?....in PBK world?....definitely he should be in PBK world...right?....let me know your views....
Dear rudraputra.
I should have written so-called Yagya.
Neither BKWSU nor pbkivv nor aivv is true rudra Gyan Yagya as rudraBap(practical ShivBaba) is no where in sight....if both families are calling themselves as rudra-Gyan Yagya, then why they do not write it as such and proclaim it openly and display on their boards and their literature.....why do they have to write "....ishwariya vidyalaya".
Also when true rudra-Gyan Yagya starts in future then there will be unity in all 108 souls and there will be no enmity or silent hostility between souls.
shivsena.
In all the Advance Literature (Gita-pocket, Gita locket, Gita khand 1-2-3 etc) Murli/Vani points are compiled under various headings, but you will observe that there are no points under the heading "Maya"... is it not surprising that we have to fight Maya and become mayajeet, but there is no description about who is the chaitanya Maya on this battleground of knowledge.
If you are reading Murlis and Vanis regularly, then i am just requesting you to think about the ''Ishwariya form of Maya'' whenever you come across the word "Maya" and you will be surprised to note that all points are describing some soul who is destined to play the mayavi part in Sangamyug.....to think of Maya just as subjective 5 vices is basic teaching, but if one wishes to progress in knowledge then it is most imperative to know the ''ishwariya form of Maya''(as per Vanis) which is creating an illusion and preaching ignorance (''avidya Maya'' according to scriptures)...unless one fights this ''avidya Maya'' and overcomes it, there is no way that one can win over the subjective 5 vices and become mayajeet. This is what i feel.
लास्ट में तो माया सभी को धराशाही कर ही देती है। क्या राम की आत्मा को माया धराशाही नहीं करती है? करती है ना। माया के नज़र से कोई बच नहीं सकता। जो परमात्मा पार्ट बजाने वाली आत्मा वो भी माया के नज़र से बच नहीं पाती। At the end Maya makes all fall on the ground. Doesn’t Maya make Ram’s soul fall on the ground? She does, doesn’t she? It means that no one can escape the eye of Maya. Even the soul playing the role of the Supreme Soul can’t protect itself from the eye of Maya.
To all pbk brothers.
Can any pbk please clarify how Maya makes Ram's soul(Virendra Dev Dixit) fall to the ground in the last birth. I presume that all PBKs know that Virendra Dev Dixit was not married before coming in knowledge....in fact he ran away from home when his lokik Father wanted to get him married and he came back to Kampil only when his lokik Father left his body....to consider Ram's soul as no. 1 patit kami kanta without any proof is a very sinful character assassination.
BTW....all BKs and PBKs take the phrase "no 1 patit kami kanta" in literal sense....can anyone give the behad ka meaning of the same.
arjun wrote: I do not know if there is any particular soul which plays the role of Maya, but I find that explanation about Maya-Ravan given in the advanced knowledge quite satisfactory that the seed-form and root-form souls of the four leftist religions (Islam, Christianity, Muslim and Atheism) and one rightist religion (Arya Samaj) represent the five male and five female faces of Maya-Ravan.
Although, as long as Dadi Prakashmani was alive, PBKs were under the impression that she was playing the role of daughter of ShivBaba, i.e. Maya, who tests them.
Arjun
Dear pbk brothers.
It will be clear from the above explanation of "who is Maya" given by arjun Bhai, that there is much ambiguity in advance teachings.....the above para desribes two concepts of Maya :one is the combined Maya-Ravan in the form of 10 souls of various vidharmi religion(who have not yet been identified) and the other is Dadi prakashmani (who is no longer playing any part)....so who is this Maya whom we fight on the battleground of knowledge.
Murli 28-12-99 says: "Maya ka no.1 kartavya hai patit banana."
[meaning: "Maya's no.1 duty is to make impure"]
The above point when interpreted from physical point of view, then Maya (5 vices) makes all souls impure from Copper Age in broad drama.....but when interpreted in a subtle way in Sangamyugi drama, then Maya (Ishwariya roop) makes the intellect of all souls patit(impure) by narrating ambigious and completely contradictory explanations of Murli points in the form of advance knowledge and fulfilling her no.1 duty.
Murli 13-12-01 says: "Ravan-rajya mein buddhi wrong kaam hi karti hai, kyon ki buddhi ko talla lag jaata hai". Maya ne sabko talla lagaa diya hai".
[meaning: " In Ravan Rajya the intellect always works in the wrong way, because the intellect is locked. Maya (ishwariya form) blocks the intellect."]
The above point is spoken by Shiva by emerging the pbk world of the behad ka drama where the Ishwariya form of Maya blocks the intellect of PBKs who will always think wrongly....(and only by reading the Murlis of Shiva repeatedly can the intellect be opened and truth can be known.).....(the first step in knowing the absolute truth is to first know the absolute untruth ie. advance knowledge.).
Murli 15-2-01 says: "Maya ne tumko fool(murkh) banaa diya hai; april fool kahete hain na; Maya dorr bandhane nahin deti."[meaning: Maya(Ishwariya roop) make a fool out of you; it is said ''april fool'' ; Maya does not let you tie the string (with Father ShivBaba)].
In the above point Shiva is clearly describing the Ishwariya roop of Maya who makes a fool of the PBKs(as per drama) by inventing Krishna ki jhooti Gita and presenting it as sacchi Gita of ShivBaba. This is remembered internationally and celebrated as fool's Day on April 1st.
There are many points on ''Maya'' in avaykt Vanis but there are very few points on "Ravan" in av. Vanis and i just read a very important point on "Ravan" which i wish to share with all PBKs.
Avaykt Vani 24-9-92 says: "Yah sadaa Yaad rakho ki aajkal drama anusaar asatya ka rajya hai aur asatya ke rajya-adhikari president Ravan hain. Uske kitne sheesh(heads) hai, artharth asatya ki shakti kitni mahaan hai. Uske mantri-mahamantri bhi bade mahaan hai. Uske judge aur vakil bhi bade hoshiyaar hai."
[meaning: "Always remember that nowadays according to drama, there is kingdom of untruth and the president of this kingdom is Ravan. The power of untruth(Ravan) is so great as he has many heads( intellect of 10 heads). He has many great ministers(advisors) and judges and lawyers who are also very clever.(in propagating untruth as whole truth).]
The above Vani spoken by avaykt brahma( Mama) clearly refers to some soul in the behad ka drama, who is playing the role of Ravan (who has invented advance knowledge ) and is propagating it as truth.....and is assisted in this task by his faithful ministers-judges and lawyers.(who never tally advance knowledge with Murlis and blindly accept it as truth)
Let each pbk churn on the above point deeply and it would be worthwhile if some pbk puts this point in vartalap sessions with Baba Dixit and asks his view-point.
Many times it is said in Murlis :" Maya rustom bacchon ke saath rustom hokar ladti hai".
Who is this Maya who becomes rustom and who are these rustom bacche and how do both fight each other.!!!!!
shivsena wrote: Many times it is said in Murlis :" Maya rustom bacchon ke saath rustom hokar ladti hai".
Who is this Maya who becomes rustom and who are these rustom bacche and how do they fight each other.!!!!!
Murli dt. 27.4.85, pg.2:
"Inko dekh seekhna hai. yah sikhaate rahenge kyonki yah hai sabse aage. Sab toofan pahale inke paas aate hain. Isliye tum sabse rustom yah hai, tab toh oonch pad yah paate hain. Maya rustom ho ladtee hai. Isne phat se sab kuchh chhod diya. Inka part tha. Baba ne inse yah kara diya. Karankarawanhaar toh wah hai na. Khushi se chhod diya. Sakshaatkar ho gaya."
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Sanjeev.
