Who is Godly-form of Maya ??

[mbbhat]

mbbhat wrote:- Bharat refers to India, sometimes refers to Bharatvasis(deities= BKs and PBKs), sometimes present residents of India(that too Hindus).

So you 1)only believe in jad Bharat(India) and 2)jad drama of 5000 years; 3)what about the Murli points :"behad ka Bap, 4)behad ka drama, 5)behad ke bacche, 6)behad ka vairagya etc etc,....do these words carry no meaning for you !!!

1)What should I say if you conclude I believe just in jad Bharat when I have already mentioned chaitanya souls as Bharat (see my quote).

2)Can you quote any Murli point that says chaitanya drama and jad drama?

Arey- Drama itself is combination of chaitanya(soul) and body(= body plus nature) = action

3)behad ka baap means Father of all or the highest Father.

4)Behad ka drama is a drama of 5000 yrs, not the lowkik dramas.

5)Will you please mention Murli point that says- behad ke bacche. I have heard it as behad ke Baap ke bachche. There are two fathers. So the answer is simple.

6)Behad ka vairaagy= Forgetting the behad world= The present world of maximum souls and continents
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I agree with Sanjiv Brother, but there is no need to give any importance to human souls.

[sachkhand]

AUM Shanti.

I agree with Sanjiv Brother, but there is no need to give any importance to human souls.

Dear mbbhat,
You agree what?
Chaitanya Bharat is Dada Lekharaj's soul, who is also Prajapita. If you agree with this, then your statement saying that not to give any importance to human souls is not correct. I am not saying to remember Dada lekharaj's soul, but Prajapita is very important because it is said in Murlis that by recognising Prajapita you will get the inheritence. Because it is through Prajapita that the children receive inheritence of Shiv/ShivBaba.
So recognising Prajapita is very important.
Also in one of the Murlis it is said that some children say that what do we have to do with the Sakar, we are directly connected with and related to nirakar Shiv. But in that point such children are ridiculed.
Thanks.
Sanjeev.

[mbbhat]

1)Chaitanya Bharat is Dada Lekharaj's soul, who is also Prajapita.

2)If you agree with this, then your statement saying that not to give any importance to human souls is not correct.

3)I am not saying to remember Dada lekharaj's soul, but Prajapita is very important because it is said in Murlis that by recognising Prajapita you will get the inheritence. Because it is through Prajapita that the children receive inheritence of Shiv/ShivBaba.

4)So recognising Prajapita is very important.

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1)I agree this.

2)Yes, I did a mistake. Since there is no doubt in me about who is Prajapita, and Baba says, one should not remember the Chariot, I wrote like that.

3)You have said what is in my mind. Actually the word IMPORTANCE SHOULD BE REPLACED BY REMEMBRANCE IN MY PREVIOUS POST.

4)100% TRUE. Then only children can remember Shiva.

You see- PBKs have considered Mr. Dixit as Prajapita and do remembrance of corporeal body more than Shiva. Murli point says do not remember Chariot, says to forget all bodily relations. BKs consider Dada Lekh raj as Prajapita and hence capable of remembering Shiva.

In fact I feel even a PBK if starts remembering Shiva just in point form and do not bother about Chariot will automatically get faith that Brahma Baba is Prajapita.

[In very few occassions Baba has said to remember Chariot. Main reasons are a)To keep children united b)To hold at least the best Sakar if one cannot reach niraakaar(ShivBaba)].[/quote]

[shivsena]

Dear pbk brothers.

It is said in Murlis:"Maya ne pankh tod daale hain."["Maya has broken the wings"]
I have asked the meaning of this Murli point to many PBKs and they have no answer to it.

My churing says that the soul requires wings of Gyan and Yoga to fly out of this body, but the ''ishwariya form of Maya'' has broken the wings of the soul by giving wrong interpretations of Murli points and by teaching them wrong Yoga(hatyoga) and hence the pbk souls cannot fly.
When Ramshivbaba comes in the end, then only the souls will get the wings of right knowledge and right Yoga and will be able to fly out of their bodies at will.

shivsena.

[pbkindiana]

shivsena wrote:

It is said in Murlis:"Maya ne pankh tod daale hain."["Maya has broken the wings"]
I have asked the meaning of this Murli point to many PBKs and they have no answer to it.

My churing says that the soul requires wings of Gyan and Yoga to fly out of this body, but the ''ishwariya form of Maya'' has broken the wings of the soul by giving wrong interpretations of Murli points and by teaching them wrong Yoga(hatyoga) and hence the PBK souls cannot fly.

You are the only one who is flying high by remembering Ram's soul in the dead body of Brahma Baba. The bizarre part is that you do not know who Ram is, but remembering his soul

Om Shanti -- indie.

[shivsena]

You are the only one who is flying high by remembering Ram's soul in the dead body of Brahma Baba. The bizarre part is that you do not know who Ram is, but remembering his soul.
Om Shanti -- indie.

Just to remind you again and again that i do not remember the dead body of Dada Lekhraj at all; it is the belief of BKs and PBKs who feel that Dada Lekhraj has become karmatit in 1969 and so they try to remember him and become like him. I remember the avaykt and nirakari stage of Ram's soul, thinking that this present body of Baba Dixit is now driven by Krishna who is narrating jhooti Gita to PBKs, but Ram's soul is in sakshi stage just observing the game Krishna is playing. (Vani point: "Vyakt mein avaykt ko dekho")

shivsena.

[pbkindiana]

shivsena wrote:

Just to remind you again and again that i do not remember the dead body of Dada Lekhraj at all;

You wrote in one of your postings that you are having remembrance with the Ram's soul in Brahma Baba's body. Don't expect me to search for your posting and don't try to deny it.

it is the belief of BKs and PBKs who feel that Dada Lekhraj has become karmatit in 1969 and so they try to remember him and become like him.

There is not any PBKs who want to emulate Dada lekraj because they are aware that to remember him is to die like him, so don't put the blame on the PBKs.

i remember the avaykt and nirakari stage of Ram's soul,

You don't know the corporeal body of Ram, then how are you remembering his soul. Moreover Ram hasn't attained his 100% nirakari stage, so how can you remember his nirakari stage. Also can you tell me when has Ram attained his nirakari stage for you to remember him. You love to mention the term "Ram", so who is this Ram according to you

Om Shanti -- indie.

[shivsena]

There is not any PBKs who want to emulate Dada lekraj because they are aware that to remember him is to die like him, so don't put the blame on the PBKs. Om Shanti -- indie.

If PBKs do not want to emulate Dada Lekhraj brahma, then why it is taught in advance knowledge that ''Follow brahma in karma'' and ''baat meri mano" and ''do not follow Shankar'' !!!

shivsena.

[pbkindiana]

shivsena wrote:
If PBKs do not want to emulate Dada Lekhraj Brahma, then why it is taught in Advanced Knowledge that ''Follow Brahma in karma'' and ''baat meri mano" and ''do not follow Shankar'' !!!

Follow Brahma's dharna only but PBKs do not link their intellect to Brahma Dada Lekraj during Yaad as you do.

indie.

[shivsena]

Follow Brahma's dharna only but PBKs do not link their intellect to Brahma Dada Lekraj during Yaad as you do.
indie.

That brings us to a very important question : what dharna did Dada Lekhraj inculcate in his lifetime and did he attain the karmatit stage when he left the body in 1969 ????

So PBKs link their intellect to ''Sakar mein nirakaar" when they want to remember ShivBaba(as per advance knowledge teaching) and when they want to follow dharna then they think about the past karmas of Dada Lekhraj. Is that what PBKs are practising at present !!!!!

shivsena.

[pbkindiana]

shivsena wrote"
That brings us to a very important question : what dharna did Dada Lekhraj inculcate in his lifetime and

As far as i know he had the tolerance power.

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u]did he attain the karmatit stage [/u]when he left the body in 1969 ????

Do i have to apprise you that someone who attains the karmatit stage will never leave the body.

So PBKs link their intellect to ''Sakar mein nirakaar" when they want to remember ShivBaba(as per Advanced Knowledge teaching) and when they want to follow dharna then they think about the past karmas of Dada Lekhraj.

As far as i know those PBKs whom i mingle only remember ShivBaba.and we have high regards for brahma Dada lekraj whom had never point a finger at others as i have read Avyakt Vanis saying that "do look at others, do not think of others, do not see the defects of others, tolreate to reap the benefits, etc." So it comes naturally to think of what he says when we are in a situation that we shouldn't do a certain act that violates his sayings. Also it is said in bakti, follow mothers values and follow Father's directions.

Is that what PBKs are practising at present !!!!!

As i have said that i do not know what the other PBKs are practising, Why not go and ask them personally?

indie.

[shivsena]

Do i have to apprise you that someone who attains the karmatit stage will never leave the body.
indie.

Dear indiana.

''That Dada Lekhraj has not become karmatit", is it your view only or does advance knowledge also teach the same thing.

So if Dada Lekhraj brahma has not become karmatit in 1969, then who is the soul who has been refered to as "Bap-samaan karmatit awastha"in many av.Vanis and how can Dada Lekhraj brahma, who has not attained karmatit stage, deliver perfect avaykt Vanis in mt. abu. This is all very confusing.

Can you please throw some light on this.
shivsena.

[pbkjaideep]

Hi, I agree with your views that 1969 it cannot be said that Lekhraj Kirpalani Bhrama has reached the karmatit stage (complete incorporeal stage).

As per my understanding of advance knowledge Lekhraj Kirpalani Brahma does bcame Avyakt (Avyakti Stage/Sukasham vatan stage of constant curuning of Gyan) in 1969, that's the reason the teaching is still going on and Krishna's Lekhraj Kirpalani Brahma's soul is still taking the knowledge through the body of VVD Ram.

Well as far as the mention of Baap-saman-karmatit awastha is concern it has been explained by Baba that the Sukasham sharir dhari Lekhraj Kirpalani Brahma's soul gets to that Baap Saman awastha (mentally) while churning out Avyakt Vanie's that's also the reason we call BaabDada combined. This is what I believe.

[shivsena]

Hi, I agree with your views that 1969 it cannot be said that Lekhraj Kirpalani Bhrama has reached the karmatit stage (complete incorporeal stage).

Dear jaideep Bhai.

Welcome to the forum.
As far as my understanding goes karmatit stage is avaykt farishta stage and not the complete incorporeal stage.

As per my understanding of Advanced Knowledge Lekhraj Kirpalani Brahma does bcame Avyakt (Avyakti Stage/Sukasham vatan stage of constant curuning of Gyan) in 1969,

How can a person who died of heart attack be said to have achieved the avaykt atage. When a person in the outside world dies of heart attack, then he has to take birth again, so why not Dada Lekhraj. Also when Dada Lekhraj was alive he did not understand what Shiva was speaking through Murlis , so why does he have to leave the body for churning of Gyan and why do we have to churn the Gyan through our physical bodies. Why this partiality in drama.

Also your views differ from what is taught in advance knowledge, so why this difference.
Can you please explain this.
shivsena.

[pbkjaideep]

As far as my understanding goes karmatit stage is avaykt farishta stage and not the complete incorporeal stage.

Thanks, my understanding is karam-atit (beyond karma) while doing it, cannot be achieved until & unless one reaches fully incorporeal stage. We are attached to that karma to the extent our being body conscious.

How can a person who died of heart attack be said to have achieved the avaykt atage.

We do celibate the avyakti varsh don’t we in the Brahmin family 1969.

When a person in the outside world dies of heart attack, then he has to take birth again, so why not Dada Lekhraj.

It is said in the knowledge that anth-mate-swa-gate (as your thoughts in the end so you will be), until his death Lekhraj Kirpalani Brhama has the onlydesire to establish the new world order & to be the prince there. So that is what he is doing.

Also when Dada Lekhraj was alive he did not understand what Shiva was speaking through Murlis, so why does he have to leave the body for churning of Gyan and why do we have to churn the Gyan through our physical bodies. Why this partiality in drama.

Well this knowledge is for the soul not for the bodies and its pralabdh remains with and for the soul even one leaves his or her body isn’t.it? Well as far as Lekhraj Kirpalani Brahma’s being Avyakt is concern, why we are ignoring the tremendous pursharth he has made while he was alive and it can’t be matched by any children even today.

Also your views differ from what is taught in Advanced Knowledge, so why this difference

I don’t see a problem in heaving my own/different views of things as long as I am positive about the Gayan as a whole and willing to change them if shown any contrary Murli point. That’s the reason I am still a student a pursharthi. Om Shanti,(see you on Sunday)