Dear arjun Bhai.arjun wrote: She said that as far as she knew it was the PBKs from Karnataka, who started calling Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit and Kamla Devi as Baba and Mama in 1985/86. She also informed that it was only in 1985/86 that the name of Kamala Devi was added in the letters of faith Arjun
Whether it is 18 years or 20 years, the question still remains : why did it take omnipotent Shiva (bap-teacher-Satguru) 18/20 years to come out of the womb of advance knowledge and be revealed as "Baba"???
As regards the nischay-patra, there are many souls who have not studied a single Murli or Vani on their own and realised Baba's part, but they have given their letter of faith just because the soul who introduced them, made it compulsory to write the letter of faith before meeting Baba; there maybe more than 80 % of souls who have given the nischay patra because they were shown only those Murli and Vani points which probably and possibly point out towards Chariot (brahma's part) but when scrutinised deeply, none of the Murli points or Vani points (as well as practical happenings) give any indication that it is ShivBaba who is riding that Chariot at present during brahma ki raat.
So giving nischay patra mentioning Virendra Dev Dixit being ''Baba'' and Mama as ''Maa" has no bearing or binding whatsoever on any soul who is giving his letter of faith (he can very well alter his faith after some time). Due to ignorance and with due respect to the Chariot, Brahma can be called as 'Baba' during brahma ki raat, but ShivBaba (whether shiv or Ram) has no role whatsoever to play during the night of ignorance.
This is what i strongly feel.
shivsena.