Shivsena wrote:I fully agree with you that neither Shiva or Ram alone can accomplish anything. Only when they combine to become parampita paramatma, then Godfather Ramshivbaba will be revealed to the PBK world. This is what I have been stressing in all my posts.
Dear brother,
You always stress that Ramshivbaba is the sermonizer of true Gita to which I disagree. I believe that the sermonizer of true Gita is Trimurthi Shiva as there are direct Murli quotes indicating who is the sermonizer of true Gita. I feel that Godfather Shiv is waiting for Rambap's 100% incorporeal stage so that new knowledge can be revealed. Also i feel that Shiv is higher than Ram because it is Ram who has to make efforts to become like Shiv and not vise-versa. As it is said Shiv-Shankar and never Shankar-shiv.
As per your views, you are having remembrance with the nirakari stage of Ramshivbaba but like most PBKs, i too am having remembrance with ShivBaba. I feel it is not logical and fruitful to have remembrance with someone who still hasn't emulate his stage to ShivBaba. As it is always said in the Murlis that "remember me in this body," or "remember the incorporeal in the corporeal."
Arjun wrote:I wish to know what you mean by merging of dot Shiv into the incorporeal stage of Father Ram.
Dear arjun Bhai,
I did not say that both of the souls of Father Shiva and Rambap will merge. What I have said is the merging of their incorporeal stages. As we all know that a soul cannot merge into another soul but their incorporeal stages can merge. Moreover because of the merging of their incorporeal stages, in bakti it is said that Shiva is Shankar. They have mixed up Shiva and Shankar in bakti just because now in Confluence Age, both of their (Shiv & Ram ) incorporeal stages are going to be equal and runs parallel to each other. Only then new knowledge can be delivered and everything will be revealed. Also it is said that "the dot cannot do anything without alaf."
I agree that neither Shiv nor Ram can do anything alone. That is the reason why Shiv enters into the corporeal medium. But even when both are in the same body, whom should we see? Or who is more important?
Definitely it is ShivBaba that we should have connections with. Also Shiv is higher than Ram but eventhough Shiv is higher than Ram, He (Shiv) is unable to accomplish anything without Rambap. When we say God speaks, then it is compulsory for the corporeal body in whom ShivBap is residing to emulate the same stage as Shiv, as it is said that the incorporeal stage will make others bow.
Cal Bhai wrote:Why does Shiv have to merge in the incorporeal stage of Rambap to acccomplish?
Dear brother,
Why is not there any happiness practically in the pbk kingdom? I agree that Shvbap is constantly incorporeal, viceless and egoless but why is the ever-pure Shiv unable to bring heaven to the pbk kingdom to-date? I feel that when the soul of Ram emulates Shivabap's 100% incorporeal stage, then both of their incorporeal stages merge to become shiv-Shankar. Even when both of their stages merge, it is still Shiv who is higher than Ram.
When Shiv entered Brahma and accomplished the task of delivering Murlis, Brahma was not incorporeal.
Yes, Brahma was not incorporeal and that's why he left his body. Someone who has an incorporeal stage is immortal. Also an incorporeal stage can control the world to which Brahma couldn't even control the bk world. Eventhough Brahma baba was in a male form, he has female sanskars and it is for him that it is said, "He is the true elder mother." Also no mother can emulate like brahma baba as there is no other soul except Rambap who can emulate ShivBaba's 100%incorporeal stage. Everyone loves to have a mother like brahmababa and when the world celebrates mothers day, it is actually dedicated to brahma baba who is the mother of all mothers.
Sorry for my ignorance but the saying "it needs two to accomplish a task" is new to me.
I am sorry too that I am unable to produce any Hindi phrases as I am a foreigner and I don't speak or understand Hindi.
Om Shanti.