The Honeymoon Period

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The Honeymoon Period

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proy wrote:Please tell me more about the Honeymoon Period.
when i started morning class with the BKs i remember one day when i was full of the joys of Brahmin life being told by a jaded old BK, 20 years "in Gyan", that i was in the "Honeymoon Period" and that i should make the most of it, because soon enough the "free intoxication" would stop, and i would have to start working for my spiritual upliftment... he went on to explain that every BK received a lot of help from above when starting out (ie from the time of spiritual rebirth), but that, after hooking you in, and showing what was possible, the help would be removed, and the child would be left to stand on his/her own feet, and earn their own way in the spritual world.

I did not fully believe what i was being told - surely i had just given up physical relationships, tobacco, alcohol, meat, eggs, onions, garlic, the works, and started keeping a "chart" of my progress and efforts, and started getting up most days for (unprecedented for me) 6 o'clock (or even 4 o'clock on a good day) for meditation and Murli class.... and here i was being told that (effectively) i wasn't earning, form my own efforts, the blasts of "super-sensuous joy" that i was regularly experiencing....

Looking back on it now, he was right - there was a "Honeymoon Period" - and many other BKs have since confirmed the same to me from their own experience. There is an initial intoxication that carries you along and enables you to make the big changes in your lifestyle that BK life demands. Later, if you are lucky, you learn to generate similar intoxication from your own efforts, but it does indeed take time. It seems to me that the Honeymoon Period highs are sporadic and unpredictable, you soar and plummet - whereas the later experiences from "standing on your own feet" are more stable and pretty much constant - you merge the divine into your everyday life, and your everyday life improves beyond recognition.

There were also, for me (and others i have spoken to) mini "honeymoon periods" when you have left for a while (a few days, a few weeks, a few months or years...) and return - everyone is pleased to see you and very loving and powerful meditation experiences return - but the joyride soon fades, and the old staleness and/or discontent that caused you to go away soon returns...

I have actually found more spiritual stability and elevation since leaving the BKs - the highs are lower and the lows are higher. The sheer exuberance experienced at times in the initial "Honeymoon Period" has never been regained, but the results of spiritual self transformation over a prolonged period of time are, for me, preferable to the rollercoaster of the early days.
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blue moon?

Post by proy »

Howie wrote:There is an initial intoxication that carries you along and enables you to make the big changes in your lifestyle that BK life demands. Later, if you are lucky, you learn to generate similar intoxication from your own efforts, but it does indeed take time. It seems to me that the Honeymoon Period highs are sporadic and unpredictable, you soar and plummet - whereas the later experiences from "standing on your own feet" are more stable and pretty much constant - you merge the divine into your everyday life, and your everyday life improves beyond recognition.
Sounds a lot like the difference between drug induced experiences and the experiences gained through regular meditation practice?
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baba sais everything passes through stages of sato - rajo - tamo. When we enter knowledge we initially are full of faith and enthusiasm, then it goes down. There is only one who is free from the cycle of birth and death in unlimited way birth is having faith on Father like having a new birth and dying is losing faith. He is called the North star who is constant in his faith and never loses it's possition. And Brahma is the one that passes the cycle the most. Just look at the VCD 114 with subtitles. Bab sais yes, they may call themselves Jagadguru/world leader/, nevertheless even the whole poppulation of India does not consider them so, but no one can call himself Jagadpita /world Father/ Because it is a matter of relationship. Father will not have jealousy with his children. Prajapita is the highest conciousness. He sais he is firm in the conciousness that I am Prajapita. So there are both fathers that has come.
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Brahma is the one that passes the cycle the most
By Brahma you mean Dada Lekhraj I am pressuming. In what way is Brahma passing from having and losing faith? Do you mean in the Sakar days pre 1969 or the Avyakt? Who is he having and losing faith with, Shiva, himself or the role of Prajapita?

So did Brahma have a Honeymoon Period, did he go from Sato-Rajo-Tamo?
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Brahma is called one with four five heads and faces and mouths. All Brahmas become Vishnu in 1 second. But there is only one Prajapita Brahma. Yes, it is about Dada - the soul of Krishna. He is in such a boat of an intellect that' rocks the most in the ocean of poison, because Brahma the mother Jagadamba is responsible for the world of sorrow. But this boat of truth will never sink and when this unlimited Delhi, Dilli /Dil - heart/ changes the whole Bharat, the whole world will change. She opens the gate to heaven, She transforms human beings into deities. Tht's why Baba has said we should give donation of Yaad so that the eclipse on the moon /of knowledge/ is removed. I don't know the answer about the faith. Baba has spoken about faith in self, Father, drama, familly. Maybe one should speak out the doubts so that it is known.

As i know Brahma Baba's "honeymoon" /life/ ended in heart attack.
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He is in such a boat of an intellect that' rocks the most in the ocean of poison, because Brahma the mother Jagadamba is responsible for the world of sorrow
Could you please expand on this and explain how Brahma rocks the most in the ocean of poison?

When you say Brahma the mother Jagadamba do you mean Dada Lekhraj? Also why is Jagadamba responsible for the world of sorrow?
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In the Murlis it is said this Brahma is your Jagadamba, but the body is male that's why Mama has been made instrumental for the sisters and mothers. This soul of Brahma Dada Lekraj - the soul of Krishna has such resolves as of a mother, thats why he is the heroine actor. And there is a hero actor. This soul becomes Jagadamba in a female body. Brahma is shown on the lowest stage in the Subtle Region. It is said in the Murli Brahma's age finishes in the world of sorrow. Mother is responsible for the practicle side of life - eating, clothing etc. It is called earth. Earth is now polluted. Father is living and intelelctual. First the soul changes, then the body. So the soul of Brahma Baba when it changes Jagadamba the earth changes. Who is said to open the gates of heaven? Is it the Father or the mother? It is the mother. And it is this soul that is the first leaf from which Golden Age is counted.
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Post by john »

Audrey

very interesting.

I think it's best we take these kind of matters over to the PBK part of the forum as we seem to have hijacked this thread :oops:
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