Shiv Baba's Murli Trimurti Advance Course (1 Hour)

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SHIV BABA'S Murli Trimurti Advance Course (1 Hour)

The pictures that were got prepared by Baba on the basis of the divine visions of Sandeshis (Sisters who go into trance) were got corrected by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba. Those four main pictures are ---Trinity, World Drama Wheel, World Tree and Lakshmi Narayana. The first main picture among these four pictures is that of Trinity, which was prepared first. The main matter, which must be raised on the basis of advance knowledge in the picture of Trinity, is Shrimat.

What is Shrimat and whose Shrimat is it? As the word indicates 'Shri' means great and 'mat' means intellect. So whose intellect/advice/intelligence will be the greatest of all? It will be said that nobody's intellect can be greater than that of the Supreme Soul. He is the most intelligent. among the intelligent ones. But when the question arises, who is the Supreme Soul? Then on the picture of Trinity, the form of Supreme Soul, which has been depicted, is formless, because the point of light above the three personalities (murtis) towards which the line of remembrance has been depicted is incorporeal strange point of light. His picture cannot be drawn.

How can one, whose picture cannot be drawn, give directions? Baba says in Murlis, I do not teach by inspiration. I come in front of you and teach the knowledge. This has been said in Murli because Trimurti Shivjayanti (Trinity Shiva's birthday) is famous. You children should not say just Shivjayanti. It is wrong. It is wrong because birthday is only of a corporeal person. Birthday cannot be celebrated of' someone who does not have a shape and does not have a form.

Three personalities are connected with my birthday, i.e., when my revelation-like birthday takes place then I do not come alone, but three personalities are along with me at that time. So those three personalities are also shown here as Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar. These three personalities are depicted in the three levels of the Subtle Region. First is the abode of Brahma (Brahmapuri). Above that is the abode of Vishnu (Vishnupuri), and above that is the abode of Shankar (Shankarpuri). Why are those levels shown one below the other? Certainly it signifies the stages of intellect.

The stage of Vishnu is higher than that of Brahma and the stage of intellect of Shankar is higher than that of Vishnu. Otherwise how should that stage of intellect be depicted in the picture? That's why they have been depicted as three abodes. Otherwise, the Subtle Region has been cut (i.e. sidelined) in Murlis. Subtle Region is nothing. The Supreme Soul Shiva creates it in the Confluence Age for the purpose of divine visions for some time. Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar-these three are considered as deities greater than each other in the (Bhaktimarg) also it is said-Dev Dev Mahadev (Brahma is deity, Vishnu is a deity and Shankar is the greatest deity) Brahma Devataay Namah (I bow to Brahma, the deity) Vishnu Devtaay Namah (I bow to Vishnu, the deity) Then it is said Shiv Paramatmaay Namah (I bow to Shiva, the Supreme Soul) - So it is also proves that the original form of Supreme Soul is not revealed to the world through Brahma among these three personalities.

Had the form of Supreme Soul been revealed through Brahma in the world and had the world bowed before him then there would have been temples dedicated to him also, he too would have been worshipped in temples and his idols too should be present. But neither his temples are found, nor his idols. And his worship has not been mentioned anywhere in the scriptures. As regards Vishnu, we have been told that Vishnu is not a separate personality possessing four arms. It is a combination of the feelings, nature and resolves of four souls.

Which are these four souls? They are Brahma, along with Saraswati and Shankar along with Parvati. The combination of these four souls has been depicted as four arms of Vishnu. Its detailed introduction will be given now. This Vishnu is also a deity of the Golden Age. He is not a personality to be revealed in the Confluence Age as God, because when Brahma becomes Vishnu in a second, then at that time it will be a form of deity. Deities are present in the Golden Age, and human beings are present in the Confluence Age. But, then what is the form of Supreme Soul? The Supreme Soul is secret (gupt).

Among these three personalities, the personality of Mahadev (Greatest deity) is the eldest of the Supreme Father Shiva and in our Indian tradition all the kings of the past have followed the tradition that always the eldest son is given the kingdom. Why? It is because the eldest son takes birth through the more purity when compared to other children. The first child is born through the power of celibacy (brahmacharya) of a long period. So he possesses more power. He has more power of purity. That is why the tradition of handing over the kingdom to the eldest child has been in practice since the beginning. Where is the foundation for this practice laid? Its foundation is also laid by ShivBaba in the Confluence Age.

That is why it has been said in Murlis that God is one. So God's son is also said to be one. There is a version of Murli, "Trinity Brahma Shankar is greatest among deities. So who is the eldest child? Shankar is the greatest deity among the three deities. And the same deity is revealed as the Father of the world, husband of the world (Vishwapati), master of the world in the Confluence Age in the world among the world of Brahmins. Just as there is a hymn, '"har har Mahadev, Shambhu: Kashi Vishwanath Gange.' (various titles of God Shiva).

So the Supreme Soul point of light is revealed in two forms before the world. For e.g. in the world Father is incognito before the children initially. Children do not know that it was Father who first took part in reproduction while sowing the seed. To whom are the children first introduced? It is the mother. To whom were the Brahmin children introduced initially? It was Brahma, the mother. When the children are innocent they consider mother only to be their mother & Father. When those children grow up then mother only gives a hint to those children, "He is your Father, Papa." Then later Father gets revealed. So similarly in our Yagya also the 18 chapter Gita of 18 years form 1951 to 1968, i.e., the mother Gita, in its complete form before us children. The complete 18 chaptered Gita of 19 years came before us through the mother Brahma, i.e., living mother Gita came before us.

So during that last period Father Shiva revealed the secret before us, "Children, the words - Brahma Kumari Ishwariya Vishwa Vidyalaya - are wrong." One must certainly add the word 'Prajapita' to it. You call yourselves Brahma kumar-kumari. That is why people get confused. You write your name as 'Prajapita Brahma kumar-kumari. This makes a point clear that in the beginning of the Yagya there was someone in the form of Father who was greater than even Brahma, and used to control him also. He was his creator too. That is why it has been asked in Murli, "Who is Brahma's Father?" So certainly there must be someone. Only then has this question been asked. Who is the creator who gave birth to Brahma also?

So, as is the word, Brahma means elder mother. So there is certainly a Father who creates the elder mother. The Father, who sowed the seed in the womb-like intellect of Brahma, gets revealed in the end again to give inheritance to the children. So the form, which is revealed, has been termed by the world as Shiv Shankar.

People of the world do not know that Shiva & Shankar are two different souls. But we Brahmin children know this secret that Shiva is the name of incorporeal Father, the point of light. He has only one name, which never changes. When the forms change then their names also change. For e.g. when He entered into the body of Dada Lekhraj, he was named as Brahma and when the same Supreme Soul enters into another Brahmin child, who is called Father's permanent Chariot, then He was named Shankar. In this way, there are two chariots of Father Shiva. One is a temporary Chariot, which was in the middle but was present neither in the beginning nor in the end. And the one permanent Chariot, which was in the beginning, also will remain in the end also. So Father gets revealed through the permanent Chariot in the end.

So the directions, which Father gives by coming in front of us children, or his conversation is also Murli. It is a direction and it is Shrimat. There are three personalities. So all the three cannot be greater than one another. Among them also there will be one who is the greatest of all. That personality has been considered to be worship worthy and praiseworthy in the world. As a proof, in all the excavations in the world, naked idols of Shankar or Teerthankar (a Jain deity) were found in most of them, who is called as Teerthankar among Jainies and as Shankar among Hindus. Phallus-shaped Shivalingas were also found.

Wherever those naked idols were found Phallus shaped-lingas have also been found. But actually the phallus is also a reminder of the corporeal dress because Baba has said in Murli that in the Shivalinga installed in temples, a point is also marked on it. Whose reminder is the point and whose reminder is the phallus, filled with light? In the Somnath temple there was a red stone and embedded in the centre was a white diamond. So whose reminder is the big shape of light in the form of phallus? It is a reminder of the corporeal form and the point in it was a reminder of the Supreme Soul. So the combination of incorporeal and corporeal is called ShivBaba. In the temples of Jagannath & Shrinath also, the dark phallus shaped wooden idols that have been kept have been marked with eyes, nose, mouth etc. and have been covered by a dress. They have been named as Jagannath and Shrinath. Actually whose reminder is it? That is the one form of reminder, which has been depicted in some places as, "Achyutam Keshavam Ram Nanayanam Krishna Damdaram Vasudev Harim". One has been given many names.

In the path of worship it is said, "You are only Ram, you are only Krishna, you are this, and you are that." We could not understand at that time. But now we can understand that the same soul of Brahma who played a cool role, gave the cool light of knowledge to us Brahmin children, the same soul of Brahma, after leaving its body enters into a Brahmin child and plays a combined role which is remembered in the form of Ardhanareeshwar-- half female and half male. It is a sign of the combination of the resolves of half moon Brahma and Shankar. It is a sign of loveful and lawful. It is a loveful role as well as lawful part for the children full of wickedness who do not get reformed. It is a combination of both.

Mother is gentle and Father is strict. That is why here in the picture of Trinity, Brahma has been shown to be sitting in a very lenient, easy posture and Shankar is shown to be sitting in a strict, stiff posture, because Father is the creator. Creator can never be in the control of the creation. So it is a matter of Shrimat that whatever is the highest direction is that of the Supreme Father, Supreme Soul, God Father, but He is incorporeal. Through whose body is that direction received? One cannot even say that it is not received through the body of Brahma. Direction is received through the body of Brahma, but the receipt or non-receipt of that direction is one and the same. Why? It is because the direction, which was received, was not understood deeply. First is listening through the ears and secondly is understanding it.

When is it a strong matter? It is when it is understood. So whatever knowledge of Gita, which the Supreme Soul Shiva presented before us through Gita Mata Brahma, that knowledge of Gita was not clarified and until it is clarified it cannot be implemented completely in life. So the Supreme Soul Shiva is revealed before us children mainly in three forms - Father, Teacher and Preceptor. The role of all three forms is played through one personality only. Someone may say that these three roles were played through Brahma. So this is completely wrong. Only mother's role is played through Brahma. The role of giving love is played. The role of sowing of seed or the role of Father of giving the inheritance of salvation & true salvation is not played. The inheritance of the experience of salvation of the intellect from sorrows of the world is not obtained through Brahma.

Even if anyone says that we have obtained the inheritance, then within a short period, when the trumpet of destruction will be blown, then they will come to know how the inheritance of heaven, of prosperity & peace has been obtained or who is going to obtain it? What is the only thing that is received by us Brahmin children? We receive love. We take birth as children. As for the rest, clarification of the prose or poetry through the form of Father & form of teacher is yet to be received.

Our property is mother Gita. The song, which God has sung through the mouth of mother Brahma, our loving mother, and the song, which emanated from it, was named Gita. The role of one who knows every detail of living mother Gita, the form of teacher who understands the secret of each narration emanating from his mouth, is that of someone else. It is not that wife and husband are the same. We are Brahmin children, so are the Brahmins in corporeal form or incorporeal form? Someone said that it is in corporeal form. So when Brahmins & Brahmanis are in corporeal form when they are brothers and sisters then how will their mother and Father be? They should also be in a corporeal form.

So mother's form is Brahma and Father's form is revealed before the world in the end. Now he is incognito. In the beginning he is incognito, but he should be revealed before us Brahmin children even now. Why? Because when it is the Confluence Age, then certainly Father should also be present. If Father Brahma is not there then what is the use of Confluence Age? That is why Baba has questioned in Murlis, "Ask those false Brahmins if you are Brahmins, if you call yourselves mouth-born Brahmins, then who is your Father Brahma? Actually you are not mouth- born but womb-born Brahmins. Why? It is because they have received the love of womb i.e., lap.

They did not follow the path of knowledge by getting attracted to the narration emanating from the mouth. If they had followed the path of knowledge, by being attracted to the knowledge emanating from the mouth, then they would not have remembered the lap i.e., the bodily human being, whereas in Murlis keeping the photos of Brahma has been strictly prohibited. Destructive things are not remembered. It has also been said in Murlis that if you remember this Brahma then you will become sinful.

It has also been said in Murlis that you will not get anything by remembering Brahma or Christ? So it means to say that the Supreme Soul Shiva is revealed in the form of Father, teacher and true preceptor and as that third personality Shankar who is depicted as a naked person. Naked form means incorporeal stage. It is a stage of intellect, which has been depicted. Just as Abraham, Buddha, and Christ. When these religious fathers descend directly from the Soul World, then they are also depicted in an incorporeal stage. Just by looking at the pictures of their faces which have been painted by artists, it is revealed that those souls, while living in this world as if they do not exist in this world. Their intellect is always focused on the Supreme Soul, our Father.

So that is an incorporeal stage, but they are religious fathers. But the one who is Father of all religious fathers, Father of all fathers is depicted in the pictures in much more incorporeal stage and that picture is printed in large numbers in India. They are the pictures of Shankar. How can that incorporeal stage be depicted? So it is depicted here in the form of a naked body. Naked mean, that he is not conscious of the cloth-like body, whereas Brahma has been depicted with clothes. What is the meaning of showing clothes? The meaning is that until he was alive, he could not shed the consciousness of the cloth-like body. That is why he has been depicted with clothes.

This is the reason for showing two types of sages in Jain tradition. Two types of Jainies are shown; they are Shwetambar (white-clad) and Digambar (naked). The Shwetambar are reminders of the souls who follow Brahma's corporeal form and whose reminders are the Digamber Jainies, who walk around in the naked form? It is a reminder of that naked form of Shankar, who lives in an incorporeal stage, who is not conscious of the cloth-like body.

So both as Father and as teacher and also as a true preceptor who gives true salvation, it is only Shankar's naked idol. True salvation is caused in two ways. Every task of the world is carried out in two ways. first is in a subtle way and then in a physical form. Whenever a house is constructed or a plan is prepared, or any big project is prepared then first a structure is prepared in the intellect. This is a subtle from. Then, when the design or map is drawn on the paper, Then it is some more physical form and when the building is ready practically, then it is a completely physical form. It is not that the plan will directly attain a physical form.

True salvation is not caused directly, that one's body will attain true salvation, or the body becomes disease-free and like gold. No, whose true salvation is caused first? The true salvation of a soul consisting of mind and intellect should be caused first. So, that Father, the bestower of true salvation also comes in this world in the form of Brahma and does not cause true salvation of the soul consisting of mind and intellect. What is the sign of true salvation of mind and intellect? The indication of true salvation is that the intellect should not wander among the ostentations of perishable world.

The intellect should be detached from the body and the bodily relationships. Where should it wander? It should feel comfortable in wandering in the thoughts and churning of knowledge. It should feel good only in thinking and churning (of knowledge). It should be busy in the matters of Godly service and the remembrance of Supreme Soul and in the planning of new world. So this is called true salvation of intellect. If mind is busy in creating worldly thoughts, thoughts of body and bodily relations, thoughts of the worldly business for the sake of stomach, then such an intellect will not be called an intellect, which has attained true salvation. That soul is not towards true salvation.

Each Brahma kumar and kumari should check himself or herself that in how much percentage has my soul consisting of mind and intellect attained true salvation and in how much percentage is it going towards degradation. So that true salvation is first attained by one. And if one (soul) does not attain true salvation, then how will others attain it? That is why a story has been made in Indian tradition that Bhageerath brought river Ganga to the earth. There is a story of Ganga's incarnation that Bhageerath performed penance and river Ganga come down i.e., the river Ganga of knowledge came down but she merged in the intellect of Shankar. Even then benefit was not caused to the world. What does it mean? It means that the river Ganga of knowledge, which came, did not cause much benefit to the world.

But there is a Brahmin child who imbibed the essence of the Ganga of Knowledge, i.e., munies of 18 years in a stage of thinking and churning. Ganga permeated in the brain and in the locks of hair. It is not a question of permeating in the locks Of hair. It got permeated in the intellect. Since when did it permeate? (It permeated) since 1969. Since that time the incarnation of the Ganga of knowledge on the stage-like world, but the benefit of the world was not caused. Bhageerath has to make efforts once again for the benefit of the world. So he is the lucky Chariot. Both are number wise. Then he (i.e., Dada Lekhraj) enters into a Brahmin child and makes efforts and in 1976 the river Ganga of knowledge in the form of advance knowledge, flows down from the locks of hair on to the earth and starts causing benefit to the Brahmin children.

So this Ganga of knowledge, which is a matter of churning, is the beginning of true salvation. If thinking and churning does not take place in the intellect, then one can consider the soul to be still diseased. It has not achieved true salvation. So this is the form of true preceptor.

B Side

Tell the point of Shrimat to any person that this is a Shrimat of the Supreme Soul. Shiva through Brahma. He (Brahma) is our mother Gita and if that mother Gita also enters into Gulzar Dadi and gets revealed and narrates the knowledge, then it is also a high direction for us, because in the path of household mother and Father, both are respected. The Murli i.e., the knowledge that has been narrated by the Supreme Soul Shiva through Brahma is our poetry and the knowledge narrated through Gulzar Dadi is our prose. But Father comes in the form of teacher and clarifies both kinds of narrations through some other Brahmin child before us.

So Brahma's narrations or Supreme Soul Shiva's narrations are Shrimat for us. But due to the lack of its understanding the dualistic clash began between the deities and demons ( Kauravas and Pandavas). Baba has spoken scores of Godly sentences (mahavakya), but we do not understand them, when we do not know their secrets, then it is as if we have not understood it. Otherwise, the Godly versions, which the Supreme Soul Shiva had narrated about the destruction in 1976, should have been completely clear in the intellect of Brahma. Those versions should not have been proved false. But the meaning, which was derived from those Godly versions, was proved wrong, whereas it is not so. The versions of the Supreme Soul are accurate at their place.

Only fools speak without meaning. Supreme Soul does not speak so. On the one side the Supreme Soul has been telling in his versions that the flame of destruction was ignited from the Rudra Yagna of knowledge. So the flame of destruction will be ignited from the Yagya kund (here the Godly family). So where did the destruction begin from since 1976? Was it from the outside world or from the Yagya Kund (the Godly family)? It was from the Yagya Kund only is not it? So the Supreme Soul Father comes Himself and narrates the co-relation between the Godly versions. So it is not that the Brahmin's versions or the versions of Brahma spoken though Gulzar Dadi is not respectable for us. But in spite of being respectable it is out of our comprehension. Until the Supreme Soul comes Himself and clarifies them they are not Shrimat for us, because in respect of Shrimat also it has been said in Murlis that Father comes in front of you (sanmukh) and gives Shrimat.

So how is she Shrimat in front of us (sanmukh)? Sanmukh means in front of someone. So the Shrimat, which the Supreme Soul gives by coming in front of us, is given in the form of teacher and sadguru (true preceptor). That is why it has been said in Godly versions that you have to follow the Shrimat at every step. What is the meaning of every step? That means that whatever step we take to accomplish any task in the life should be taken after taking Shrimat from the Supreme Soul Father.

When can this be possible? We can take Shrimat when the Supreme Soul is present in this world in front of us. Otherwise how will we obtain? So the first thing regarding the importance of Shrimat that one should explain to someone is that through whom is Shrimat given and what is Shrimat? Secondly, whether the Shrimat is of Father Brahma, teacher or sadguru? The Supreme Soul played the role of elder mother through Brahma. The Supreme Soul Shiva plays the role of Father, teacher and Sadguru later on by getting revealed through some other Brahmin child. This clarification has also been given that what is the task of Father? What is the tusk of teacher and what is the tusk of Sadguru? Those names will also get cleared on the basis of actions.

The third question is that if Brahma is mother, then whether mother is first or Father is first? Father will be first. When was it? It has been told in the Yagya that Brahma had divine versions in 1937 and the Supreme Soul entered in him but this is just a story. There is no clear-cut mention in the versions of the Supreme Soul that the Supreme Soul Shiva entered in Brahma i.e., Dada Lekhraj in 1937, There is a mention in the Murlis that there were such children who used to give directions to Mama and Baba, they used to sit like their teachers; they used to make them perform the drill (of meditation). ShivBaba used to enter into them and give directions. We used to follow their directions (i.e., Mama and Baba used to follow their directions).

Today those children are not present in the Yagya. Similarly, it has been said in another sentence, "The one who used to live with us for 10 years (indicating that there was female person also). They used to teach Mama and Baba the drill (of meditation). Baba used to enter into them and give directions. ('Unmey' means there were two persons). They commanded so much respect. They also vanished. "What was the reason? Why did they get vanished? It is because at that time there was not much knowledge. This is the special difference between Mother and Father. Mother is emotional and Father is intellectual. Father is broad-minded. Mothers live within the four walls of the house. They possess a heart but their intellect is not so broad. So this applies to the unlimited mother and Father also.

In the beginning of the Yagya, Brahma Baba had divine versions - he had the divine vision of establishment, destruction and Vishnu Chaturbhuj (four-armed Vishnu), Vaikuntha vaasi Krishna (the dweller of Vaikunth, i.e., the place of Vishnu), but he could not understand the meaning of those divine versions. It has been mentioned in Murlis that Baba got confused. He was not able to understand. He went to Varanasi. He used to sit on the walls and draw pictures. Even then he did not understand anything. Baba asked his Guru in Sindh, Hyderabad - "Did you cause these divine versions? Then he expressed his ignorance. At that time Baba lost faith in his Gurus, but different persons have different experiences with different people in their experienced life.

So Brahma Baba had seen and judged such a person in his life who proved to be the most truthful towards him. He had maximum faith in him and that person was a simple servant in Baba's shop. That is why it is said (in Murlis) "The one who used to live together since 10 years." Since how many years was he living with Baba? Since ten years. Baba considered him to be trustworthy, clever and sincere and entrusted his entire shop to him and said that the entire hard work will be yours and the cost shall be mine, just as people do in the world. People give their fields to some person engaged in agriculture and tell them that whatever grain is produced in it, half of it will be far your hard work and half part will be for my property.

So in this way both became the partners of each other. So Brahma Baba was reminded of that partner. When? It was when he was confused. So Baba came to meet him in Calcutta. That is why it has been said in Avyakt Vani. They can hide Murlis, but where will they take Avyakt Vanis which they have printed and published and has reached scores of hands? In that Avyakt Vani Baba has asked, "Where was this Chariot found?" It was found from East Bengal. (Someone said that it is Brahma only who is said to be from East Bengal).

Sometimes it is said that he had divine versions in Hyderabad, Sindh. There the Supreme Soul entered into him and he started uttering Shivoham Shivoham, i.e., I am Shiva. (Somebody said, "No, It was the partner who was there. The shop belonged to Brahma only"). What has been written in the book of life history (of Brahma)? That Brahma Baba had divine versions in Sindh, Hyderabad. He left the spiritual gathering and went to his room and started telling "Shivoham, Shivoham" (Somebody said, "It has been written like that also"). If it is also like that, then where did the Supreme Soul enter into him?

(Somebody said that it is said that he had a home in Calcutta also). How can two things be true simultaneously? The Chariot was either found in Sindh, Hyderabad or in Calcutta. Tell one thing. By speaking two things, it is proved that you are speaking differently. (It has been said from both angles, it is a matter of both chariots-one temporary and the other permanent).

Baba has said in Murlis. It is different to have divine versions and to enter. One should not accept anything that has been spoken by anyone. It is the bodily human beings who have said that the Supreme Sou! entered into Brahma in 1937. Baba has never told in Murlis and it is not proved by Murlis. It is proved by Murlis that earlier Baba did not used to narrate Murlis. It has been mentioned so in Murlis. Earlier Baba did not used to narrate Murlis. The Murlis have begun to be narrated from Karachi.

When did the narration of Murlis begin? Narration of Murlis began from Karachi. So did the spiritual gathering begin from Sindh, Hyderabad or Karachi? The spiritual gathering began initially from Sindh, Hyderabad, is not it? He had divine visions there. They reached Karachi later. The spiritual gathering took place in Karachi when the country was divided into India and Pakistan and after partition the spinsters, mothers who were in living in bondages in Sindh, Hyderabad, who were prevented from attending the spiritual gathering, got a chance to form groups of 5,8,10,15 and they came running to Baba. So the entire fraternity gathered there.

Where? In Karachi. So when the entire fraternity gathered then the Supreme Soul Shiva entered into Brahma and started narrating Murlis. That is why these Godly versions have been uttered in Murlis, "How do we come to know that God Father has entered into him? I - is when He narrates Murlis, when He narrates knowledge." So the Murlis began to be narrated from Karachi through the mouth of Brahma. The entry of the Supreme Soul in him is proved from that time onwards.

There is another proof for this. Brahma's age has been said to be 100 years. The entry of Supreme Soul at the age of 60 years is proved since Baba has said so in Murlis. So in 1948 Brahma Baba's age should be 60 years. Brahma Baba completes the age of 100 years in 1988. If it is 76 then the age should be completed in 1976. If the age is completed in 1976 then his role through the subtle body should have been completed in 1976. But the role of 100 years age of Brahma including the physical and subtle body is not completed in 1976.

Its hint is given, in 1987-88 when Baba did not come (in Gulzar Dadi at Mt. Abu). Now this is the period when on the one side the Sun of Knowledge rises and moon of knowledge sets in. So the entry of Supreme Soul is proved in 1948, when the entire fraternity gathered in Karachi. Was the role of Supreme Soul not played prior to that? The role was played but not through Brahma. The personality who sowed the seed of knowledge even in Brahma played that role and he was his partner. Alaf got Allah and Bay i.e., entire Baadshahi (i.e., kingdom) was given to the partner.

"Who is Alaf? And who is Bay?" The same personality of the beginning of the Yagya in whom the Supreme Soul Shiva entered and gave the clarification of Brahma Baba's divine visions was Alaf and Brahma Baba who took over the controlling power of the entire gathering was Bay. So to whom was the Bay i.e., entire kingdom given? It was given to the partner. So, both are each other's partners.

In the beginning of the Yagya there was a friction between both of them, which has been referred to in Avyakt Vani as, "When was the flame of destruction ignited?" From the beginning of Yagya itself the flame of destruction was ignited along with the flame of establishment. Who were instrumental for this? Father Brahma and Brahmin children also become instrumental igniting this flame of destruction. So those who become instrumental in igniting this flame will also have to complete it at the end now, because the destruction is beneficial.

Until that flame of destruction is not completed, the beads of the rosary cannot be revealed. Just as when offerings are made in the Yagya (Sacrificial fire), then those who are weak in making offerings, those who have not practiced well, pull out their hand (from the flame). Half of their offering goes into the flame and half of it falls outside the flames. They are not able to sacrifice their body, mind and money completely. So when will those who are strong Brahmins, whose rosary is going to be prepared get revealed? It is when the flame of destruction is at its best. It is not a matter to get frightened and the powerful souls will obtain power.

So in the beginning of the Yagya itself friction was created between Brahma and Father over some matter regarding the Yagya. It' s some children only who created the friction. Souls of some other religions started entering into the Yagya and Father did not like their entry and sitting inside because even now there is a fight. Some such souls entered the Yagya who can be allowed to come into the spiritual gathering but should not be allowed to enter inside and made to sit. But the same thing happened. Mother's heart is gentle. Mother cannot separate her blind, one-eyed, thief, bandit children also from her lap. Brahma Baba refused to part these children from himself: Father did not like this. So a friction was created between them.

Children supported the mother (Brahma). They fought oh behalf of the mother. The fraternity of Father and his followers left the Yagya. That fraternity is that of souls like Father Ram. It has been mentioned in Murli about them, "The fraternity of Ram left. It has never been said, Ram will fail." future tense has not been used in Murli. Ram failed means the incident has passed. So a Brahmin child failed while studying. But when he failed he became experienced. So his result was declared that he would become a member of moon dynasty in the Silver Age. Sometimes it happens like that also.

Now a days in the course of law, those who are not able to complete the last years study are also allowed to practice in the Income Tax Office. Those who did not pass completely are called 'Ex', is not it? But that does not mean that they are completely useless. So those who failed first of all got the post of moon dynasty in the Silver Age. Now Baba says that the efforts of those children who leave their body after becoming Brahmins, does not go waste. They will take birth again and make efforts.

So the some souls of the beginning, souls of Father Ram and followers of Ram, the special souls of Kshatriya class (warrior class), have ruled India in a special way. Brahmins did not rule. Shudra (the lowermost class in Hindu society) have not ruled so much. Which caste has especially ruled India? It was the Kshatriyas. The special souls of Kshatriya class take birth again, and in 1976, when the Brahma of the beginning (aadi Brahma) completes 100 years age, then again it gets revealed as to who is aadi Brahma? It is the same Prajaplta.

So after the soul of Brahma has left its body, the same soul of Prajapita enters into the Yagya, the same soul who accompanied Prajapita, who was recognized as Yagyamata (mother of Yagya or the Godly family), also leaves her body and after Mama leaves her body, enters into the Yagya again. Just as a jungle never remains vacant, there should be a lion and lioness in the form of king and queen in it. So when Brahma and Saraswati leave, then two other souls take their place who cannot be equaled in knowledge, meditation, inculcation of virtues and service. It is a different matter that initially she remains incognito and later gets revealed.

So from 1966 to 1969 when Baba got the word 'Prajapita' added then you will see that in the old picture of Trimurti it was written, "Brahmakumari Ishwariya Vishwa Vidyalalya." In this the word 'Prajapita' has not been added because this picture had also been prepared earlier. Similarly, in the picture of world tree, the words "Brahma kumari Ishwariya Vishwa Vidyalaya" are written, because this picture had also been prepared earlier. The word 'Prajapita' has not been added in it. This word 'Prajapita' has been added only when Mama left her body and the soul of Ram entered the Yagya. At that time this word 'Prajapita' was added. In the lower portion of the picture of Lakshmi Narayan and the Ladder it has been written -"Prajapita Brahmakumari Ishwariya VishwaVidyalaya" when those souls were not present then it is useless to remind of them, and when those souls entered the Yagya then God Father Shiva also started reminding children of them.

How many years passed from 1969 to 1976? 6-7 years. You can think up to 1975. In 1976 the year of revelation of Father was celebrated in a big way. Directions were issued in foreign countries also that 1976 is a year of revelation of Father. So if anyone asks, "Why was the year of revelation celebrated in 1976? Did the task of revelation of Father not take place earlier in 40 years? Was the task of revelation of Father not undertaken after 1976? Why was the year of revelation celebrated only in 1976?" Its secret is that in 1976 that Father was revealed in the form of Father, for which a hint has been given to the Avyakt Vanis that the foreigners will recognize Father first.

Revelation was celebrated only in 1976. Its secret is that in 1976 that Father was revealed in the form of Father, for which a hint has been given to the Avyakt Vanis that the foreigners will recognize Father first. Revelation will take place through the Father. Even this was inferred in a wrong way. They thought that Father would be revealed through the worldly foreigners who are rich and those who travel by air. It is not the matter. Revelation of Father takes place through the great souls of 108 children of Father who become the beads of rosary, those who become kings for many births. Worldly personalities cannot reveal Father. How can those worldly people who are rich, affluent reveal the spiritual Father? The poor children of Father can only reveal Father. They are actually the seed-like souls of our Brahmin world who were present in the beginning of Yagya, left the Yagya in between and then came back into the Yagya.

Will those seed-like souls, who did not like the sustenance of Brahma in his corporeal form, remember his corporeal form or remember the incorporeal point? Whom will they remember more? They will remember the incorporeal point of light more. And will those who have received the sustenance of the corporeal medium, who have played in the lap of the corporeal medium, remember the corporeal more or the point of light more? They will remember the corporeal medium more.

So will the intellect of those persons who have been in the company of the point of light in their intellect, become subtle or will the intellect or those who have remembered the physical from become subtle? Those new children who remember the point of light and have entered the Yagya once again, those who have not received the corporeal sustenance will be reminded of the point of light automatically and their intellect become fast and subtle. And the intellect of those who remembered the corporeal form becomes physical by remembering the corporeal form. The subtle secrets of knowledge cannot fit into the physical intellect.

That is why this drama is without any beginning. Those children of the beginning, who were present first, take birth again and come in the last and make fast efforts and become first. Those children who come first, those who become beads of the rosary of 108, are those children of the Father who reveal the world in the world and those children through their subtle stage of intellect, through their subtle stage of thinking and churning possess the capacity to give massage to the souls of the entire world through their mental service. But until all the secrets become clear in their intellect, this task remains to be completed. When once all the secrets become clear, then there will not be delay in completion of the task.

So in 1976 after the revelation of Father, those foreigner (videshi) seed-like children for whom Baba has given hints in the Murlis and Avyakt Vanis, "four sons of Brahma are famous as his manas sons (born through thoughts) - Sanat, Sanatan, Sananadan and Sanat Kumar. Out of them_ Sanat Kumar is shown be of the age of 5-6 years. This is their unworldly (aloukik) age. from 1969-70 to 1975 those children of 5-6 years age reveal the Father in Delhi.

Among them one is the seed of Aadi Sanatan Devi Devata Dharam (or deity religion). Rest of the three are seeds of Islam, Buddhism and Christianity. Those who are foreigner children understand the deepness of the matter first and reveal the Father in the Brahmin world. So this year of the revelation of Father was 1976. The Father gets revealed through foreigners. Actually, it was a period of midnight 12.00 O'clock. Foreigners consider the beginning of the day at midnight 12.00 O'clock and Indian people believe the beginning of the day, beginning of the new date from the time when the sun is revealed. That is why Baba has said, "Who will be born earlier-Father or child? Shivajayanti i.e., Shiva's birthday is Gita's birthday. Then next is Krishna's birthday.

So along with Shiva's birthday, Gita's birthday also takes place. As soon as Shiva enters, He starts narrating the Gita knowledge. As a result of this the aloukik (unworldly) birth of Brahma Baba takes place. Brahma Baba was reminded in the beginning itself that he was the soul of Krishna. In this birth I have to play the role of Brahma. The establishment of the new world will begin with me. The establishment of the Brahmin clan will take place through me. Baba had strong faith because he had divine visions practically. Prajapita did not have divine visions.

The Supreme Soul played the role of Panditji (a Scholar who just narrates, but never practices himself) through him, who did not have any experience of divine visions. So when friction was created in the Yagya then the emotional Brahma remained stable and the soul of Prajapita separated from the Yagya, because being intellectual at that time the intellect of Father did not get the complete dose of knowledge. The complete dose of knowledge can be said when one gets the complete knowledge of the world drama wheel.

Om Shanti.

[jannisder]

never mind

[fluffy bunny]

I am grateful for all this and look forward to the rest. But who did the translation?

They still go for the "permanent" Chariot in translation instead of "appointed" Chariot.

• Something or someone cannot be permanent if they are not permanent ... I know it sounds pedantic but after a while one tires of boneheadedness ... even from God's Chariot. Permanent means permanent ... not "a bit in the beginning and then a bit at the end".

Has Virendra Dev Dixit made any official response or mention to the original 1930s posters with "Prajapati Brahma-kumaris" written on them yet?

[button slammer]

I am grateful for all this and look forward to the rest. But who did the translation?

They still go for the "permanent" Chariot in translation instead of "appointed" Chariot.

• Something or someone cannot be permanent if they are not permanent ... I know it sounds pedantic but after a while one tires of boneheadedness ... even from God's Chariot. Permanent means permanent ... not "a bit in the beginning and then a bit at the end".

Has Veerendra Dev Dixit made any official response or mention to the original 1930s posters with "Prajapati Brahma-Kumaris" written on them yet?

Sorry, I cannot say who did the translation, the above Trimurti course I think I recieved 2-3 years ago. For many a year translations were rather poor and thin on the ground. It's only been over the last few years that the quality and quantity of translations has improved. (ShivBaba/Virendra Dev Dixit has mentioned to try to learn Hindi). I posted the above course in response to requests for a clearer outline of PBK/Advance Knowledge. Please note that the above Advance Course is by no means exhaustive and serves mainly to give an overview of specific points of note in the Yagya history.

[arjun]

Dear Buttonslammer Bhai,
Om Shanti. Thanks for posting the Trimurti Advance Course. But this has already been posted by me last year in another thread http://brahmakumaris.info/bb/viewtopic.php?t=127 in which someone seems to have inserted the Trimurti picture also. That course was posted with the permission of Baba and after corrections by the nimit sisters and after it was finalized for being printed as a book on Advance Course in English. If you have no objection we can merge these two threads.

Dear ex-l,
As regards the use of the word 'appointed' for 'mukarrar/ permanent Chariot' you must have observed that this is being used in the recent translations of clarification Murlis. But it may not have been included in the Trimurti Advance Course when it was being finalized last year. So, if Baba permits, changes would be made in the Trimurti Advance Course in regard to that word.

As regards Baba Virendra Dev Dixit's comments on the original posters and literature, I have sent the question to Baba for the same.

Regards,
OGS,
Arjun

[button slammer]

Om Shanti. Thanks for posting the Trimurti Advance Course. But this has already been posted by me last year in another thread http://brahmakumaris.info/bb/viewtopic.php?t=127 in which someone seems to have inserted the Trimurti picture also. That course was posted with the permission of Baba and after corrections by the nimit Sisters and after it was finalized for being printed as a book on Advance Course in English. If you have no objection we can merge these two threads.

Dear Admin, as Arjun has already posted the Trimurti Advance Course last year along with a picture, I am requesting that instead of merging the two posts, my post which has an inferior translation should be deleted, and that the 1st post by Arjun should remain as a fixed post. Cycle and Trimurti If possible please also incorporate the above link to the Trimurti picture in (Arjuns original post) as used by the PBKs when teaching the advance Trimurti course.

Thx Button Slammer

[andrey]

Dear brother ex-l,

We use the term "permanent" in many other cases also where philosophically it will not be correct to use it. As we know nothing is permanent in this world. For example we say "permanent address", it does not mean that we are to reside there all the time during the day or that we cannot change it. So can this address be called "permanent" even after we are sure to leave it when we leave the body?

In the case given, as well, it will not be incorrect to use this term, because it becomes clear the meaning - his (Supreme Soul's) permanent address.

[fluffy bunny]

We use the term "permanent" in many other cases ...

At the end of the day, its a translation and a confusing one.

If you want to speak to other members of 'your family', e.g. the BKs, it is only going to confusion and upset them because the first, logical response is to say, "how can he be permanent when Lekhraj Kirpalani is the Chariot for (19 ... ?) years." It is enough to immediately put the backs of BK and logical non-BKs up.

May be there is a better translation. I think 'appointed' is. The 'primary', 'first and last' or 'Alpha and Omega' of chariots ... may be there is better a word to define that? I am sure the original Hindi does. But permanent immediately makes it look as if you are challenging or denying Lekhraj Kirpalani role.

Its is just honest feedback if you want to help people understand.

[andrey]

We can say "appointed" for Brahma Baba as well, but not "permanent".

[warrior]

In the beginning of the Yagya, Brahma Baba had divine visions - he had the divine vision of establishment, destruction and Vishnu Chaturbhuj (four-armed Vishnu), Vaikuntha vaasi Krishna (the dweller of Vaikunth, i.e., the place of Vishnu). The Trimurti Picture of Knowledge is drawn in this order Establishment (Brahma), Sustenance (Vishnu) and Destruction (Shankar). But in the Murlis there is reference to this order: Establishment (Brahma) – Destruction (Shankar) and Sustenance (Vishnu).

In the Murli dated 19.12.89 pg- 1 beginning, “First it should not be told establishment, sustenance and destruction.”

In the Murli dated 22.1.78 pg- 2 beginning, “The vice less world of the deities is being established through Brahma, the destruction will take place through Shankar then there will the kingdom of Vishnu.”

“The saying is not: The sacrificial fire of the knowledge of Shri Krishna. They say: The sacrificial fire of the knowledge of Rudra. The flames of destruction emerged from that. You are truly seeing that ... You know the Boatman, and you also know the ones through whom establishment, destruction and sustenance take place.” Sakar Murli 2003/02/04 Revised by BKs.)

("ShivBaba narrates that the flame of destruction got ignited from the Rudra gyaan Yagya. There is so much difference between Rudra Yagya and Krishna. After this gyaan Yagya no material Yagya is organized in the Golden Age ... Rudra Yagya has also been mentioned in the Gita. And it has also been written that ‘God speaks’ (Bhagwaanuvaach); so there is truth in Gita just like (a pinch of) salt in wheat flour. Rest is false. Now this churning of ocean of thoughts will not be done by ShivBaba. Brahma and Brahmakumar-Kumaris have to do ... You can go to any satsang (spiritual gathering) and ask them. There is no question of fear. Everyone is in darkness. Death is staring at them and they say that Kaliyug (Iron Age) is still 40 thousand years away. This is called complete darkness. They are sleeping like Kumbhkarna." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 10.10.07, pg 2 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba)

“People understand that destruction will take place, but when they see destruction stop, they do not understand whether it will take place or not. Therefore, they quieted down. The Father explains: Children, very little time remains”. (Sakar Murli 2003/02/06 Revised by BKs.)

And in the Clarification of Sakar Murli dated 9.3.67 by Baba Virendra dev Dixit:
“When God comes, He does not create a new world. He selects the great souls from the old world and plants the sapling of the new world. He destroys the old gathering (puraana sangathan) and establishes the new gathering (nayaa sangathan). The old fort gets destroyed and the new fort gets built. It has been written in the scriptures – Brahma created the world several times and destroyed it several times. When he did not like it, he destroyed it and then created a new world.

Actually, this is a matter of shooting. First the shooting of deity class (devataa varna) takes place; then the shooting of Kshatriya class takes place; then the shooting of the Copper-Aged Vaishyas takes place; and then the shooting of the Iron-Aged Shoodras takes place. And until the shooting of all the four classes, all the four ages does not takes place, perfection is not achieved. Ultimately, when Brahma becomes satisfied, then the creation of the new world takes place. So he does not create any new world. He selects the righteous souls from among every religion in the old world. Then the new gathering gets prepared from among them. The destruction of the old gathering keeps taking place.

Even at the beginning of the Yagya the flame of destruction had been ignited from the Yagyakund (literally it means the sacrificial altar, but here it refers to the spiritual gathering of aloukik Brahmins that ShivBaba established in 1936-37) along with the establishment. The righteous souls belonging to the Sun dynasty separated from the world of Brahmins. Or it could be said – they were selected to form the new gathering. The old gathering gets destroyed.

In the beginning of the Yagya itself, between 1942 and 1947 the establishment of the new gathering and the destruction of the old gathering took place in the form of a sample. The souls receiving sustenance in the company of Brahma, which belonged to the dynasties of other religions, receive sustenance for a long time. They are unable to receive the sustenance of Father. They are unable to receive the sustenance of Father for a long time. So they remain weak. Because of receiving the sustenance of mother for a long time, they stoop to acting as per their own desire. Just as it happens in this world; When the Father becomes weak, the mother takes sides with the children. Father feels detached and he renounces the family. The connection of his intellect (with the family) gets snapped. He understands – these people are of no use to me.

In the beginning of the Yagya also the same foundation was laid. Alaf got Allah. The one, who got the title of Brahma, got ‘Bay’ Baadshaahi (i.e. kingship). You take care of your kingship. How long will this false kingship continue? The foundation was laid. Father departs. After some time, children also become degraded and they establish control over the mother. When they establish control over the mother, then the one, who was the first leaf of the world until then also sits as the husband (pati) of mother. He becomes her husband (khasam). He became the God of Gita. And when such an atrocity takes place on the mother, then the mother realizes – what have I done?”

What I gather from the above points is that the Trimurti picture should be change because Destruction is happening all the time in the Brahmin world, so is not that Destruction will happen just at the end. But for the world outside the present Trimurti picture is in correct order (Brahma-Vishnu-Shankar).

[fluffy bunny]

Please excuse the long quote

It is the bodily human beings who have said that the Supreme Soul entered into Brahma in 1937. Baba has never told in Murlis and it is not proved by Murlis. It is proved by Murlis that earlier Baba did not used to narrate Murlis.

When did the narration of Murlis begin? Narration of Murlis began from Karachi. There is another proof for this.

Brahma's age has been said to be 100 years. The entry of Supreme Soul at the age of 60 years is proved since Baba has said so in Murlis. So in 1948 Brahma Baba's age should be 60 years. Brahma Baba completes the age of 100 years in 1988. If it is 76 then the age should be completed in 1976. If the age is completed in 1976 then his role through the subtle body should have been completed in 1976. But the role of 100 years age of Brahma including the physical and subtle body is not completed in 1976. So the entry of Supreme Soul is proved in 1948, when the entire fraternity gathered in Karachi.

So from 1966 to 1969 when Baba got the word 'Prajapita' added then you will see that in the old picture of Trimurti it was written, "Brahmakumari Ishwariya Vishwa Vidyalalya." In this the word 'Prajapita' has not been added because this picture had also been prepared earlier. Similarly, in the picture of world tree, the words "Brahma Kumari Ishwariya Vishwa Vidyalaya" are written, because this picture had also been prepared earlier. The word 'Prajapita' has not been added in it. This word 'Prajapita' has been added only when Mama left her body and the soul of Ram entered the Yagya. At that time this word 'Prajapita' was added.

For the most part, I think the above lesson is marvelous, enlightening of the Yagya's history and gives us more leads to follow up. However, it is not complete or completely accurate. It wonderfully underlines, if not answers, many of the questions we have asked.

OK, in those original documents that have been forwarded to Virendra Dev Dixit, it is written that Lekhraj Kirpalani's age in 1938 was 54. As he was alive and working with the authors, I take that to be fairly true. His family was wealthy/educated enough to know how old he was.

So, 54 in 1938 would equal a date of birth in 1884. 60 years would be 1944 not 1948.

By 1948, we still have no mention of Shiva in the published material. Granted he might be present but not speaking in his own name, or he might have been coming and going ... I don't know. So, we need to resolve the differences.

Then, Virendra Dev Dixit mentions no "Prajapita" until after Mama Radhe died. That may be true. But he does not mention the use of Prajapati Brahma Kumaris, the meaning behind it (literally the "husband of the subjects" to "the Father of the subjects") nor the reason and factors for the change over. Ditto, on a minor note, why it is now presented as flattering "Father of the humanity".

Interesting enough, The Praja Socialist Party was an Indian political party in existence from 1952 to 1972. It was founded when the Socialist Party, led by Jayprakash Narayan, Acharya Narendra Deva and Basawon Singh (Sinha), merged with the Kisan Mazdoor Praja Party led by J.B. Kripalani (formerly a close associate of Jawaharlal Nehru). The Praja Foundation is a non-partisan, voluntary organization whose aim is to empower citizens and the government with knowledge, information and facts. It is committed to the re-establishment of accountability and transparency in public governance through people’s participation and runs an Online Complaint Management System (OCMS) in collaboration with the Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation.

So perhaps praja means more like "citizen" in English and the word gives a hint at what the true nature of the Yuyga should be like; a People's Yayga not one ruled by an sef-elect, non-transparent and unaccountable elite class. The Foundation has developed a Citizens Charters, Surveys, Monitoring, producing a Citizens Handbook and Outreach to look after citizen's interests ... all examples the BKs could learn from.

[andrey]

Dear brother ex-l,

If till '48 Murlis has not yet been started to be delivered, why do you expect the name of Shiva to appear?

[fluffy bunny]

Sorry, that should have read "1949" which is the latest date with no mention. We still have no details about the how and why of the first revelation of Shiva.

Any ideas about the rest of the questions?