Different religions

[arjun]

Disc.CD No.233, dated 9.1.07 at Arakonam

Kisi nay poocha: Baba, Ram hee Ravan banta hai, Krishna hee Kans banta hai, iska matlab kya hai?

Baba nay kaha: Ram pehley janma may Ravan banta hai kya? Hm? Krishna pehley janma may Kans banta hai kya? Satopradhaan stage may Ram Ravan, Krishna Kans bantey hain ya taamsi stage ka jo aakhri janma hai, uskay bhi ant may, Ravan aur Kans ka roop dhaaran kartey hain? Kab dhaaran kartey hongey? (Kisi nay kuch kaha) Haan, saari duniya may asuron kee sankhya jab bahut badh jaati hai. Jo Baap kay bachhey hain voh bhi asur ban jaatey hain. Jaisey abhi Murli may bola bahut tang karengey toh vinaash karaa doonga. Ek-do-chaar bachhey tang karein, toh bhi koi baat nahee, aur saarey kay saarey hee tang karna shuru kar dein toh saarey hee tamopradhaan ho gaye na. Un tamopradhaanon ko fir thikaaney kaisey lagaaya jaayega? Seedhi ungli ghee may daal doh toh ghee nahee niklega. Tedhi karengey toh niklega. Lohey say loha katataa hai, vish say vish maara jaata hai. Toh jab vinaash ka danka bajta hai toh sudhar jaatey hain. Bhaaratvaasi bhi aisey sudharney vaaley nahee hain. Kya? Marshall Law lagaa aur fat say sudhaar hona shuru ho jaayega.

Bachhey jo hain voh bachhon jaisi shakti hai, bachhon may Maa-baap jitnee shakti aa sakti hai kya? Nahee aayegi. Baap baap hota hai. Boltey bhi hain bachhey tumhara baap aaya hua hai. Maana bachhey utney vikaari nahee ban saktey hain jitnaa baap vikaari ban sakta hai. Bachhey utney nirvikaari bhi nahee ban saktey jitnaa Baap nirvikaari banta hai. Ever pure kee stage practical may is sansaar may part bajaa karke tab sansaar may pratyakshata hoti hai. Toh, taamsi say taamsi stage usay isliye dhaaran karee padtee hai ki bachhey jo hain voh atee nahee la saktey. Is duniya ka ant kab hoga? Jab atee hogi toh ant hoga. Aur bachhon may itnee taakat nahee hai jo vikaaron kee atee laa sakein. Toh atee toh laanaa padey. Isliye Ram ko Ravan ban-na padtaa hai. Aakhri janma kay bhi last charan may, jab sab aatmaen oopar say neechey utari hui hoti hain. Aur sab satopradhan say kya ban jaati hain? Tamopradhan ban jaati hain. Tab atee laaney kay liye ant karnaa padey. Aisey nahee ki pehley janma say hee ya madhya kay janmon say hee voh aisa part bajaata hai. (Kisi nay kuch kaha) Nahee, voh toh shreshth aatmaen hain. Jo aur bi unko follow karney vaaley bachhey hain voh bhi antim janma tak unko sahyog detey hain sachhai may, voh taamsi stage kaisey dhaaran karengey?
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Someone asked: Baba, what is meant by ‘Ram becomes Ravan’ and ‘Krishna becomes Kansa’?
Baba said: Does Ram become Ravan in the first birth? Hm? Does Krishna become Kansa in the first birth? Does Ram become Ravan and Krishna become Kansa in the satopradhan (pure) stage or do they assume the form of Ravan and Kans in the last leg of the last birth of taamsi (degraded) stage? (Someone said something) Yes, when the number of demons increases very much in the entire world. The children of the Father also become demons. For example, just now it has been said in the Murli that if you trouble a lot, then I would cause destruction. If one, two or four children cause trouble, then it is not a big issue, and if all the children start troubling, then all of them are proved to be tamopradhan, aren’t they? How would those tamopradhan souls be fixed? If you put the straight finger in the ghee, then you would not be able to extract ghee. If you make it a little curved then you would be able to extract ghee. Iron is cut with the help of iron, poison is killed (i.e. removed) through poison. So when the bugle of destruction is played, then they get reformed. Indians (Bhaaratvasis) are also not going to get reformed easily. What? When the Marshall Law gets imposed then the reformation (sudhaar) would begin immediately.

Children possess children-like power. Can children acquire parents-like power? They would not. Father is Father. It is even said - children your Father has come. It means that the children cannot become as much vicious as the Father can. Children cannot become as much viceless as the Father becomes viceless. He gets revealed in the world after playing a practical part of ever pure stage in the world. So, he has to attain the most taamsi (degraded) stage only because the children cannot bring about the extremity (atee). When will the end of this world come about? When the extreme stage is reached, then the end would come. And children do not have the power to bring about the extremity of vices. So, extremity has to be brought about. That is why Ram has to become Ravan. In the last stage of the last birth, when all the souls have descended from above and what does everyone get transformed from a satopradhan stage to? They become tamopradhaan. Then, in order to bring about the extremity, the end has to be brought about. It is not that he plays such a part from the first birth itself or from the births of the middle period. (Someone said something) No; they are the righteous souls. Even the other children, who follow them, extend cooperation to them in truth till the last birth; so, how can they assume a degraded stage?

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Note:- The Hindi and English versions of the extracts of above mentioned Discussion CD are just draft versions. The words added within brackets in the English version have been added by the Translator to make the meaning more clear.

[andrey]

Dear brother shivsena,

Yes, I now see that most probably it is not there in the Murlis (Ram becomes Ravan). These dualistic parts are especially in the advance knowledge. Like in the Murli it is never said there are two types of Brahmins, deity-like and devilish. You have to distinguish between Ram who does not become Ravan and Ram who becomes Ravan.

We are not to become kings now. We are one family and need not face each other in case we share one and the same attitude. This power should be used to face the external enemy. Our gathering must be strong inside. We also aim creating unity, means one kingdom, one direction, then if there are two kings there surely will be fight. We prefer being small children if front of God than king of the fools.

PS. Yes, in the Murli it is said that Brahma is Prajapita, but which Brahma? In the Murli it is not said that there can be many Brahmas, although it is hinted however. If Prajapita and Brahma are one and the same, then the name PBK will again mean a progeny of just one.

You say, "Krishan is Bharat", but see on the picture of the Ladder who is Krishna and who is Bharat? You say Brahma's Day and Night, but it is not said Prajapita's Day and Night. From the Copper Age the soul of Brahma starts becoming influenced by the different religions (starts coming into night), whilst the soul of Prajapita starts opposing them.

You say the Murli is a code, but who has coded it and who can encode it? Only the one who coded it would be able to encode it is it not. Or will we do hacking. We don't have pure intellects and the meaning we will extract from the Murli will be only according to the state of our intellect. That's why the one who has coded the Murlis comes, encodes them, opens the door of knowledge and we enter into a completely new world.

It is said that from the beginning itself for the 4,5 laks it starts the path of Gyan and for the 4,5 laks the path of bakti. Only 4,5 laks know the theory of 84 births.

Salvation and degradation is matter of the intellect. If it has the right destination it receives salvation. So which is this destination where we have to focus the attention of our intellect. It is this same prersonality. Whoever may speak. We can see Supreme Soul inside. Even if we don't we may see form of Narayan which is easier.

Truth is not a statement. One and the same truth said by different mouts, in different context, different timing becomes untrue. Only god, means a personality himself is true. We cannot expect we’ll find some truth like a formula that will last forever. If it was like this we would keep it all the time and we would not go down. We go down, because we lose the company of truth. Absolute truth etc, what is this. If you say knowledge will change, the one that will come may also change. Finally, we may just reach to one and the same simple point. It is said that at the end only the consciousness of the soul will remain.

[shivsena]

Yes, I now see that most probably it is not there in the Murlis /Ram becomes Ravan/. These dualistic parts are especially in the Advanced Knowledge. Like in the Murli it is never said there are two types of Brahmains, deity like and devilish. You have to distinguish between Ram who does not become Ravan and Ram who becomes Ravan.

Again the two types of brahmins described in advance knowledge is also Krishna's mat and not ShivBaba's mat (as you rightly said that there is no Murli which describes these two types of brahmins). Can you specify further ''who is this Ram who does not become Ravan'' and who is this ''Ram who becomes Ravan''? i would like to know more about this 2 Rams and 2 ravans.

You say the Murli is a code, but who has coded it and who can encode it. Only the one who coded it would be able to encode it is it not.

That is just great. ShivBap first says the Murli is in code form through brahma and then he himself uncodes it through Virendra Dev Dixit. (It is as if He himself has to pass the exam to become no. 1 soul). The teacher sets the paper for the students to solve (the teacher does not solve it himself to get 100% marks).

i just fail to understand your thoughts and the logic behind it.

shivsena.

[arjun]

Om Shanti.

As per the advanced knowledge of the World Tree it is explained that originally there was only deity religion in the heaven that existed in India during the Golden and Silver Age. Later, when the soul of Abraham entered into the body of one of the souls belonging to deity religion, it established Islam religion. These souls did not practice celibacy and therefore had to leave India towards the Arab countries.

A proof of this event has recently been found in the research done by an Indian scholar as published in the following website that was mentioned to me by a PBK mother; Abrahma was from Andra.

The PBK mother quoted from the above website;

The All India Telugu Conference turns up an astonishing piece of research. It was astonishing enough when a remote tribe from North Eastern India was discovered to be one of the lost tribes of Israel. Now one scholar from the Potti Sriramulu Telugu University has produced arguments that contend that the Israelites of the Old Testament might have started their journey from Andhra Pradesh.

Quoting several such examples Ms. Samyuktha said there was sufficient proof to link those Sumerian cultures with the Telugus. Hebrew, Sumerian and Assyrian records abound in such descriptions and suggest that the present Israelis belonged to Andhra Pradesh.

Ms. Samyuktha argues that Kamakur village in Balayapalli mandal of Nellore district still has 21 Jewish families. Only they are not even aware that they are Jews. She is one among them and her first name Kooniah could be found in Hebrew as Koni, she says [from The Hindu] Telugutanam has more details.

Regards,
OGS,
Arjun

[abrahma kumar]

A proof of this event has recently been found in the research done by an Indian scholar as published in the following website that was mentioned to me by a PBK mother; Abrahma was from Andra.

Really Arjuna? Maybe I ought to meet with that Indian scholar - he might be able to confirm whether I am that same Abrahma now incarnated in cyberspace. :lol: